I’m Sorry, that I can’t find any more Sorry to be Sorry Enough

Look, I can understand why the Tent Embassy was established all those years ago. I think a lot has changed for the better since then. We had the historic apology just a few years ago, one of the genuine achievements of Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister. We had the proposal which is currently for national consideration to recognise indigenous people in the Constitution. I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian and yes, I think a lot has changed since then and I think it probably is time to move on from that.
~ Tony Abbott, 26 January 2012, Sydney Opera House
I seldom agree with anything that Tony Abbott has to say, but on this point I do agree. How can we move forward as a nation towards achieving true reconciliation if some are unable to move on from the wrongdoings of the past.
And before I get bombarded with a barrage of abuse, allow me to clarify my position. I have absolutely no doubt that Australia’s indigenous population has been treated badly during the last 200 years. I do not dispute the history of murders, rapes, stolen children, displacement nor the sense of “invasion” that it must’ve seemed like in the years following 1788.
I am sympathetic to the cultural connection that Aboriginal Australians have with the land, and the sense of injustice that displacement and marginalisation has caused along with the associated social problems and racial discrimination that ensued.
I am also cognisant that a vast majority of Australians want to see an end to this disenfranchisement and to realise true reconciliation with Australia’s first people.
To this end, four years ago, the Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered a historic address to the nation, finally, after years of growing public demand, the nation’s leader presented an apology to Indigenous Australians as a motion to be voted on by the house.
The form of the apology was as follows:
Today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.
We reflect on their past mistreatment.
We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Stolen Generations – this blemished chapter in our national history.
The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page, a new page in Australia’s history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.
We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.
We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.
For the pain, suffering and hurt of these Stolen Generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.
To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of families and communities, we say sorry.
And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry.
We the Parliament of Australia respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the nation.
For the future we take heart; resolving that this new page in the history of our great continent can now be written.
We today take this first step by acknowledging the past and laying claim to a future that embraces all Australians.
A future where this Parliament resolves that the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.
A future where we harness the determination of all Australians, Indigenous and non-Indigenous, to close the gap that lies between us in life expectancy, educational achievement and economic opportunity.
A future where we embrace the possibility of new solutions to enduring problems where old approaches have failed.
A future based on mutual respect, mutual resolve and mutual responsibility.
A future where all Australians, whatever their origins, are truly equal partners, with equal opportunities and with an equal stake in shaping the next chapter in the history of this great country, Australia.
Mr Rudd followed the apology with a 20-minute speech to the house about the need for the apology, which was widely applauded among both Indigenous Australians and the non-indigenous general public.
Then Leader of the Opposition Brendan Nelson also delivered a 20-minute speech in which he endorsed the apology, after which the House of Representatives unanimously adopted the proposed motion.
It would be fair to say that many Australians indigenous and non-indigenous alike, felt a great sense of achievement. Finally progress was being made.
Preceding this historical event, eight years earlier on May 28, 2000, more than 300,000 people walked across the Sydney Harbour Bridge in support of Indigenous Australians and reconciliation. Held the day after Corroboree 2000, the walk attracted Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander and other Australians of all ages and from many different backgrounds including politicians, public figures, families and members of the Stolen Generation, who streamed across the Harbour Bridge for five hours.
The ‘mass mobilisation’ in Sydney was quickly followed by walks in other capital cities, and towns, involving almost a million people in total around the country. In Brisbane more than 60,000 people crossed William Jolly Bridge, 55,000 filled the heart of Adelaide when they walked over King William Street Bridge and in Canberra, people braved snow and sleet to cross Commonwealth Bridge. Walks were later held through the streets of Melbourne and Perth in December—with another 300,000 people taking part to support the reconciliation movement.
Prior to this mass groundswell in support for reconciliation, two years earlier the first National “Sorry Day” was held on May 26, 1998; one year after the tabling of a report about the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families.
The report, known as Bringing Them Home, acknowledged that Indigenous children were forcibly separated from their families and communities since the early days of European occupation in Australia. Governments and missionaries were responsible for this forced separation.
There can be no denying the immense support and send of goodwill amongst Australians indigenous and non-indigenous alike to strive towards a process of reconciliation.
No one can change what has happened in the past.
True reconciliation requires an ability, and a willingness to look forward to a vision of the future.
Those that are incapable of moving on from the injustices of the past will simply be tortured by them. Traversing the difficult path of reconciliation requires an ability to let go of the past.
Clinging to the injustices of years gone by prevents progress from being made, and merely dooms the prospect of any chance to reconciliation to failure.
I recall at the time of the inaugural “Sorry Day” many of my fair skinned compatriots expressed some concern that they personally had done nothing wrong, so what was there to apologise for.
It’s a legitimate point of view.
Should present day generations of German teenagers be compelled to apologise to Jewish teenagers for the wrong-doings of Hitler?
Many Australians were prepared to acknowledge the wrong-doings of past generations but felt that it was insincere to offer an apology for something that they were not associated with.
This is a point of view that should be dismissed, and it is perhaps a testament to the good will of Australians that so many supported Sorry Day and the 2008 apology nonetheless.
It would be fair to say, that I have been disappointed by the behaviour of the rowdy mob of protesters that descended on The Lobby restaurant on Australia Day.
In their defence, many people explain that “you don’t know what it’s like to be Aboriginal,” and that is a very valid claim.
However to be disenfranchised from society, to be part of a marginalized minority, to be treated like second class citizens and disadvantaged is not the exclusive domain of indigenous Australians.
As I said on the Australia Day thread, somewhat dismissively, “everyone has a hard luck story,” and I stand by that statement.
People who want to improve their situation and future prospects, regardless of how they found themselves in a dire predicament have two options.
They can either take it upon themselves to improve their lot and access the various resources that are available to assist them, or they can wallow in self-pity and blame everyone else for their “bad luck”.
The former approach takes, courage, discipline and hard work, the latter is often an easier path.
For generations, asylum seekers have reached these shores with nothing, with poor or no English language skills, yet have managed to work within the limitations of the resources available to them to build a new life with a positive future.
During the course of the last twenty years, we have witnessed a tremendous display of goodwill on behalf of most Australians to work towards reconciliation in this country, however this requires a sense of goodwill and partnership from everyone concerned.
Those that are consumed with bitterness and resentment threaten this process and the likelihood of real reconciliation ever becoming a reality.
Successive governments have failed to make any discernable difference to indigenous people and their welfare.
Plenty of talk, plenty of repetition of decades of policy failure.
The enemy of progress is public and political complaceny. There should be more aggitation, not less.
I’m with YomM. Polite indifference doesn’t work.
Plenty of words will be spoken but very little money will be available.
Welfare dependence will remain
Racism to continue.
Excellent post, sreb!
But I see the negative posts immediately follow … there are two distinct types of people in the world the builders and the destroyers …
Destroying has always been quicker and easier than building!
One of your best Thread Headers yet, mate!
I agree with TB, a strong serious post on a sensitive issue, correct in every respect. Can’t imagine any lurkers willing to take you on.
Interestingly, the “random” question asked on the day, and the “random” response to it, may have been no such things, if Big Daddy’s (ambi)valent voice-authentications are resolute sweet nothings by which to judge. Still, if authorisation and proper construction of fireplaces in New South Wales is the passim topic, then Bob The Builder’s comments (via KL’s Crikey piece, and thanks for it), may illumine some more of a (pre-)attunement context (and thanks to the LP for many interesting discursive excursions, very often), while pondering the page writ and the page to be written.
Bob The Builder was inspired on that thread, meta.
The witless were utterly witless.
I think that Bob’s last sentence is significant for a number of reasons …
Does that mean every white racist’s actions is representative of all non-Indigenous people in this country?
The truth in the statement for one … and …
… not only white people can be racist … there used to be term bandied about before PC … reverse racism … in fact my own experience has been from people with extremely dark countenance …
Racism is not really the issue … it is BEHAVIOUR! Any issue in this country seems to be immediately clothed in RACISM to stifle any debate of the real issue …
Muticuturalism of integration … ??? Maybe the real issue is one of CULTURE?
Is culturism an insult yet?
Ageism seems to fly under the radar regularly in my world …
CORRECTION …
Muticuturalism of integration
Muticuturalism OR integration
Somewhat true. Perhaps.
Seems that Bolt/Hadley are channelling that master of conspiracy theories, one Ol’ Sancty. Seems a Canberra ABC journo required the said question be asked by the Sydney ABC journo. The circle seems almost complete.
If/when all is revealed, I’ll be expecting applause, a congratulatory thread, and a Country and Western CD.
If/when all is revealed, I’ll be expecting applause, a congratulatory thread, and a Country and Western CD. LOL!
then why did the australians want a apology from the japanese for past war crimes ,comfort women other crimes committed against australian soldiers. that white australia policy still alive and well. plus who has benifited from this , and still benifiting , from it certaintly not blacks. theres two law in this country one for whites and for those who crawl up their arse and one for the blacks. nothing changed in 200 years .whites want the cake and eat it crumbs all . you should apologise for your own stupidty and arrogance
Echo, echo, echo: PANEL’S RACE CARD STIFLE’S DEBATE.
take a look at history who started the wars who invaded .who committed genicide who raped the land and women and children who dropped the atom bomb who started the boer war who started world war 1 who started world war 2 who started the vietnam war who’s always interfering in other people wars who who’s pushing for war with iran who started slavery in the usa who killed jfk who killed martin luther king who shot bobby kennedy who are the serial killers mass murders who pissed on dead taliban soldiers. who is pushing for ww3 who owns all the money who gains from( war profit) who said there was weapons of mass destructions who said that they threw there kids over board (the truth was thrown overboard who poison the waterways who poluting the air we breath who always telling us whats best WELL IT CERTAINLY WASN’T BLACKS AND YOU CAN’T FIND ANYMORE SORRY TO BE SORRY ABOUT OH MY GOD PLEASE HELP ME GIVE ME THE STRENGHT TO COPE WITH THIS BULLSHIT. YOU’S GOT A LOT TO BE SORRY ABOUT
‘YOU’S GOT A LOT TO BE SORRY ABOUT’
No, not in the least. The American war of independence forced the English to seek a prison camp elsewhere.
West Africa looked good on paper, but they settled for the land of Oz on the word of Sir Joseph Banks, so I blame him.
He also said the local people are cowardly and I’m thinking they came up with with Terra Nullis to placate those sensitive whites who considered themselves Enlightened.
We live in a multiracial society, in relative harmony under the rule of law and democracy. I’m as proud as Punch.
“YOU’S GOT A LOT TO BE SORRY ABOUT”
Who me personally?
I’m sorry (figuratively speaking), but I wasn’t involved in any of the that.
Is that all you’ve got left? Throwing guilt trips into the air and hoping that one might find a target…?
*Yawn*
The apology was fine, and I’m sure the overwheming majority of people felt proud on the day, probably thinking ‘what was all the fuss about?’
But in seems to have resulted in apathy -’we’ve said sorry and you’re back for more. Now what do you want?’
Dispossessed people deserve much more than an apology. They deserve properly funded programs to support building cultural respect.
Art=History=Culture -and it is time for the government to provide decent funding for indigenous artistic and cultural programs on the scale they deserve.
Anyone stopped to consider what might have happened with the land we call Australia had it not been invaded by the Poms?
We would be speaking French or Chinese.
Now that the (de)authentication of voices has almost been achieved, I guess it’s almost time to have that part of the national conversation on the agenda.
Yes, Sancty, see above; assuming that the French or Chinese didn’t also happen across the doctrine of terra nullius 47 years or so after they arrived in New Holland.
(Oops, better that 39* years or so.)
“Y’all don’t know what it’s like
Being male, middle class and white”
At least you concede that it was an Invasion.
Ever stopped to consider what might happen with the land we call Australia if it were Invaded in the near future by your ghastly Northern Horde of Nightmares?
How long would anglo-ockers take to recover from a sense of unjust appropriation & gun barrel dispossession?
I’m not so sure that there would be the kind of ‘just get over it’ attitude being advanced.
I feel no more guilty for what happened 200 years ago than the next man, but it should be acknowledged that ill deeds left one side with the upper hand.
“it should be acknowledged that ill deeds left one side with the upper hand.”
It’s been going on for a long time. Just ask the original inhabitants who were pushed down into Tasmania by successive waves of invaders.
It was a clash of cultures, between the Enlightened (sic) and a stone age people, Advanced technological power always has the upper hand.
For the benefit of the cafe dwellers, an alien invasion from anywhere can never be ruled out.
I understand that, splatter.
I don’t see the world as fair or just, particularly. I comprehend that, to a certain extent, the law of the jungle is the way of man.
What I don’t like is the self gratifying, revisionist way that victors build their narrative.
I don’t think it’s necessarily productive to dwell on past grievances, but I have no trouble accepting why some may feel aggrieved.
When you look at disadvantaged groups you see that some who have suffered the worst discrimination manage to succeed quite well by taking responsibility for their own lives and getting on with them. That approach is far more likely to produce results than an endless cycle of accusation, apology and handouts. There’s a lot to like about Noel Pearson.
“I don’t think it’s necessarily productive to dwell on past grievances, but I have no trouble accepting why some may feel aggrieved.”
That’s one of the points I was trying to make….
An other, is that unless you are prepared to “let go” of past grievances you’ll never actually be able to recover from them.
There are two parts to reconciliation.
One is an apology.
The other is forgiveness…
We’ve seen plenty of evidence of the former.
Very little of the latter…
“When you look at disadvantaged groups you see that some who have suffered the worst discrimination manage to succeed quite well by taking responsibility for their own lives and getting on with them. That approach is far more likely to produce results than an endless cycle of accusation, apology and handouts.”
EXACTLY!!
Even a number of indigenous Australians have said that they don’t want any more “sit down” money..
Right. Isn’t it a fine reflection on our culture when decendants of the original inhabitants are less engaged than recent migrants.
I haven’t noticed anyone promoting more welfare. I also haven’t noticed successive governments funding programs to build cultural and artistic respect.
“I also haven’t noticed successive governments funding programs to build cultural and artistic respect.”
Yes, it is a travesty that indigenous art is more highly regarded by the international arts community than it is here in Australia.
Isn’t it a fine reflection on our culture when decendants of the original inhabitants are less engaged than recent migrants.
It also “reflects” the culture of the “original inhabitants” … it is a two way street …
I for one don’t dwell on, nor try to emulate my 19th Century relatives … as for blaming ALL “white” folk for wars …
http://vietnam-war.commemoration.gov.au/conscription/images/moratorium/gallery/P4030047.jpg
http://www.google.com.au/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1609&bih=888&q=vietnam+protests&gbv=2&oq=vietnam+protest&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=1346l5236l0l7608l15l15l0l6l6l0l200l1771l0.7.2l9l0#hl=en&newwindow=1&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Australian+vietnam+protests&oq=Australian+vietnam+protests&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=26065l28420l0l30582l11l11l0l0l0l0l190l1258l5.6l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2bc8c7b67324acb7&biw=1609&bih=888
Some people need to stop cherry picking history …
“………..Even a number of indigenous Australians have said that they don’t want any more “sit down” money……………….”
Any of them were Public Servants amongst them ?
Wasn’t talking about northern hordes. It was Dutch or Portugese. And it was imminent. There is no excuse for cruelty, even if you consider the victims to be animals. And I don’t intend to justify that. But it was inevitable that Australia would be invaded by someone at that point in history, just as it’s inevitable that it will happen again at some point. The alternatives are likely to have been far worse.
The Minister for Young Territorians, Rob Knight, says he is disgusted with the children who were involved in the burning.
Mr Knight says that with the 70th anniversary of the bombing of Darwin approaching, the children involved and their parents have defaced a flag that Australians fought under.
“For some little pricks to get there and stomp on our flag and set fire to it – there should be laws against it,”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-31/minister-angry-at-young-flag-burners/3802076
People who object to flag burning should ‘move on’
Colonialism was definitely being debated in the late 18th Century, but what today might be called an invasion was something completely different to those who conceived the First Fleet.
People who object to flag burning should ‘move on’
People who don’t object to flag burning should move on … (I do confess ’tis not the smartest flag in the world but is Australia’s) … individualism is fine … but try playing a team sport as an individual … countries are (should be) a team!
I can entirely understand that the flag is a symbol of dispossession to many.
I’ll have mine well done.
Mutual respect for the icons of others, in a multicultural society, should be the aim of every citizen.
We are mature enough to appreciate that the folly of youth knows no bounds.
But I don’t like the burqa.
I’m no ‘youth’ & I’m all for burning!
Flag lovers should just move on.
“countries are (should be) a team!”
That sounds almost compulsory, all the more reason to reject the notion.
My burning ceremony gave me such mirth & satisfaction that I intend to do it every year, henceforth.
Next year I may immolate some holy books & religious trinkets at the same time.
A private burning of icons is allowed….although a gathering of more than 20 maybe problematic.
Burning the bible would mean nothing to me.
It would be a meaningless gesture.
I think for genuine “burnings” to be genuinely “symbolic” then the burner would have to harbour genuine deeply felt hatred towards the symbol being burnt and everything that it represents.
I really don’t harbour those sorts of feelings anymore. I used to towards so-called “christians” but now I’m just largely ambivalent about most things. Possibly because “maintaining some sort of rage” requires a fair degree of energy and I just don’t seem to have that level of energy anymore…
Yeah, you’re right. I’m unfazed really.
I don’t do reverence for inanimate objects or saccharine ideas. I think flags & icons are hollow & represent expected desires for belonging.
To burn is an amusement, but no different to burning a barbie doll, a used tyre or toast. It’s amusing because it doesn’t bring bolts of lightening from the sky or broken hearted nationalistic weeping.
I’m not angry with any of it, I just think it’s stupid. Same goes for religion.
My prerogative.
I will burn again. I burn because I can. I burn, therefore I am.
Why burn anything?
The burning is more symbolic and antagonistic than NOT burning anything …
Hypocrisy writ large …
I don’t do reverence for inanimate objects or saccharine ideas. I think flags & icons are hollow & represent expected desires for belonging. … and your alternatives are?
Individualism … that’s fine ………….
So don’t “belong” but don’t denigrate those that do …
I know I’ll cop a lot of shit for this BUT …
My prerogative. … Is not actually something you own …
It was fought and died for, over a few centuries by men and women who wanted to belong (to a country and a flag – however misguided you and I think they were in more than a couple of conflicts)… you didn’t (nor could you) “earn” your prerogative … it is not a right it is a gift …
I’ll just warm up the oven…
During WW1 Billy Hughes tried to introduce conscription and the people twice defeated the motion. Dumb war.
In WW2 we had to fight for our survival, it was unavoidable. All the smaller wars from the Boar through to Afghanistan are just adventurism.
Burning the bible or I Ching wouldn’t rate a mention, doing the same to the Koran could land you in hot water and worldwide headlines.
“People who don’t object to flag burning should move on …”
Funny how they are the first ones to put out their dirty mitts for a handout from the very taxpayers represented by that flag they like to burn.
Scumbags they are
Frankly I’m fed up with the “Aboriginal Industry”
If there is one good thing to come out of last Thursday it’s the certain defeat of any referendum.
Even though some of its points might have had some merit the idea of treating the indigenous as some sort of different class to be “advanced” above others is a joke.
I think I’ll soak a flag in fuel (can someone advise- petrol or kero?) and use it to barbecue some sausages tonight.
Hang on. I pay lots and lots of tax.
I’m fine with flag burning. I’d like flags to be more combustible.
Note- I do find ‘aboriginal industry’ objectionable
I do find the term ‘aboriginal industry’ objectionable
“Funny how they are the first ones to put out their dirty mitts for a handout from the very taxpayers represented by that flag they like to burn.”
Good point!!!!
Agree WWII was different to the other crap .. egg …
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The sound of opportunity and potential …
I used unleaded from my lawnmowing jerrycan.
All the lecturing is wasted upon me.
If I had another table cloth handy I’d go & burn it right now.
I will denigrate whatsoever I choose.
* SAFETY FIRST- take care when using petrol as a flag burning accelerant*
** You’ll be pleasantly surprised, Tom, the Australian flag is remarkably combustible already. Almost as combustible as the passions of flaglovers.
I think our flag should represent the sentiments of the nation. Therefore replace the southern cross with an image of a fist with the middle finger extended.
Maybe us immigrants get a different perspective … you know when your rellies and friends you grew up with are suddenly 20,000 km away …
What’s so objectionable about “Aboriginal Industry” ToM ?
The number of hangers on who are nothing but parasites agitating at every opportunity makes me want to puke.
These people just live for a fight against the white man based on some stupid fucking notion that they own this land.
Well guess the fuck what you scumbags ?
I was born here too. I dont have citizenship of any other nation and because I’m over 45 yo I probably cant migrate anywhere. So where do I fit in ?
So therefore I too have as much right as you do to claim ownership.
But hang on I’m not Black or part Black or whatever and unless I can draw a fucking Rainbow Serpent my claim doesn’t count now does it ?
Because lets face it the “Aboriginal Industry” preaches rascism.
TB – I think we place too much emphasis on mainstream symbolism. This isn’t engaging to significant minority. Vocal (non violent) dissent is healthy and flag burning makes a fair (non violent) point.
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Thanks for the safety tip! 2 stroke or 4?
Even the Aboriginal members of our society have their own flag … symbolism again? Hollow icon? … I can imagine what would happen if a group of non-Aboriginal people burnt that flag in public …
HD, you can burn yer fkn house down if it makes ya feel better, ol’ son!
Exactly. Flag burning is just a free speech issue. Although if you burnt an Aboriginal flag someone would find a way to prosecute you for a racist hate crime.
TB – I think we place too much emphasis on mainstream symbolism
Well, thanks for letting me know exactly what you think, ToM … you’re usually such a simple, considerate, careful and neutral poster …
‘Maybe us immigants get a different perspective’
Good point and doing a quick straw poll here indicates the native born have disdain for trappings and symbolism.
Anthony Trollope said the Australian born were disrespectful and I suspect its the freedom derived from this big brown island.
I was once told that factions create friction and the sign of a good leader is to bring factions together to work towards mutual goals …
I’m also a firm believer in synergy and consensus (but also know its not always possible) …
Human beings as a group generally need a rallying point … a person, an icon, a symbol to achieve things together … individuals may think they achieve great things by themselves but that is not true it requires the assistance of others – always …
Anthony Trollope said the Australian born were disrespectful and I suspect its the freedom derived from this big brown island.
Wonder what flag they will look for if a fleet of ships arrive off Perth flying this one …
http://www.tiptoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chinese-flag-640.jpg
KR, the reason that I find the term offensive it that is characterises people incorrectly.
It is healthy that more people are showing some pride in their indigenous linage. I don’t like the disparagement of this as “an industry”
Youth should have a sense that there are successful people who share their heritage, that being aboriginal need not be barrier to participation in society.
… and when they do prop outside Perth some of the ships will be the new aircraft carriers …
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/Chinas-New-Concept-Aircraft-Carrier-07-2011.jpg
Youth should have a sense that there are successful people who share their heritage, that being aboriginal need not be barrier to participation in society.
Hear! Hear!
… and this applies to ALL Australians …
The Chinese have no intention of taking us by force, they are a merchant nation. At the moment Australia is in a comfortable position, yet musn’t be complacent.
A Defence White Paper soon to be released promotes the idea of more naval forces to the north of the country. Good politics by Stephen Smith.
“Youth should have a sense that there are successful people who share their heritage, that being aboriginal need not be barrier to participation in society.”
Agreed! However “older” aboriginal Australians would rather teach younger aboriginal Australians that a better approach is to burn the Australian flag, not move on from the past, and continue to complain how downtrodden you are, and how mistreated you’ve been for the last 200 years, and how it’s all the white fella’s fault.
It seems that many aboriginal Australians are more comfortable being “victims” than accepting that they have some degree of personal responsibility for their own predicament.
A couple of examples spring to mind…
Ian Thorpe, the self-professed awkward gangly kid who realised that if he could do one thing well it was swim, and so he went for it..
Likewise Cathy Freeman.
Another example on Australian Story was a young aboriginal kid who studied to become a succesful lawyer despite his impoverished background.
THESE are the examples that aboriginal Australians should be championing and encouraging amongst their youths – not teaching them how to burn flags – and forever be destined to play the role of some hapless victim.
My contempt for flags certainly isn’t reserved for the national one.
Point taken about burning the aboriginal flag though. I daresay youze are correct & I’d end up before the courts in some way, shape or form. Neither is it lost on me that I’m fortunate to live in a country where I can burn the national flag unhindered.
I agree that we probably have different views on patriotism because I wasn’t an immigrant & take such things for granted somewhat, TB. I recognise that you are genuinely glad to have settled here & I’m happy for you. Seriously.
As for the Chinese, all I’d say is so far they’ve only shown an inclination to militarily subjugate their immediate neighbours. Until that changes I give them the benefit of the doubt.
Our great bedfellows the US though, well they have quite the more elaborate track record.
I’m pretty sure I’d derive much more pleasure from igniting the stars & stripes than our colonial table cloth.
If the Chinese show up in Perth They’re welcome to it. Ditto the entire Eastern Coast.
“the reason that I find the term offensive it that is characterises people incorrectly.
It is healthy that more people are showing some pride in their indigenous linage. I don’t like the disparagement of this as “an industry”
Youth should have a sense that there are successful people who share their heritage, that being aboriginal need not be barrier to participation in society.”
True enough, but it becomes an industry when money and preferment are up for grabs.
“I was born here too. I dont have citizenship of any other nation and because I’m over 45 yo I probably cant migrate anywhere. So where do I fit in ?”
You fit in as one of the many other whiteys that needs to apologise on an annual basis for what happened generations ago, despite it having nothing to do with anything that you could personally be held accountable for.
At a guess I’d say the vast majority of Australians would be disgusted by the sight of the Flag being spat on and then burnt.
Symbolism a Flag might be but sentiment is what counts even if Seinfeld described the Flag as “like England by Night”
If those fucking retards from the Protest want to carry on like that then they will never garnish any meaningful support from the general public for any of their causes.
They will be despised by the vast majority and those of the Aboriginal race who truly need help will rot because of the bitterness handed down by the “City Elders” from generation to generation.
After all if you can teach them to hate when they are young then they’ll carry that through with actions.
Just ask someone from the Hitler Youth
Hatred and bitterness that was shown last week is typically passed down and is also not helped when the white fucktards from the Greens and the Left choose to also participate.
Look at that fucking retard Kim Sattler and the stupid comments and photos she posted on Facebook. What a fucking moron. People like her ARE the “Aboriginal Industry”
I remember back in 2008, attempting to explain to my circle of friends why Kevin Rudd’s national apology was an important symbolic healing gesture for all Australians, despite their concerns that they were not “personally” responsible for what has happened generations ago.
They weren’t objecting to reconciliation, they just couldn’t understand how they, as aged thirty something white Australians should be apologising for things that other people had done.
I argued the case, that in the context of history, if it helped indigenous Australians move on from the past, then it would be a good thing, and cost them (ie “us”) nothing.
In the wake of the events that transpired on Australia Day, and the burning of the flag, I now wonder why I ever bothered.
Channeling the Bolter, it seems the Australian Financial Review used Blacks in their headline and Bernard Keane questioned the editor about it.
AND before everyone starts accusing me of being racist or whatever, I have been actively involved in overseas aid programs designed at improving literacy in remote parts of SE Asia, and I believe Ratty is also involved in overseas programs too…
Somehow, it’s just a bit more rewarding when your offer of help is well-received by those afflicted…
I don’t think you’re racist at all.
In fact, while my opinion on this diverges, I applaud you for not being PC.
Cultural Marxism has slipped into every nook and cranny, ie political correctness. We are expected to be quiet on a whole range of issues which, understandably, pisses me off.
Refreshing stuff, your main post, written with the strength of connviction and capturing the public mood. A brave editorial in these turbulent times, but you are not racist.
I’m pleased to be involved in a forum whose (owner’s) commitment to the principles of free speech means any and all topics can be discussed, from all perspectives, by all comers, sock-puppets or not, without fear of censoring, banning, silencing, or labelling.
Bravo blogmaster reb!
(Nigella’s on!)
I think there’s a bit of labelling, now & then.
Yes. I didn’t even believe myself about labelling. Otherwise Reb wouldn’t have had to confirm his SEAsian Lireacy sredentials to prove he’s not a racist. Oh well, baby steps, and we can asfely say we’re miles ahead of Else Wherein the Freedom stakes.
*credentials
*Else Where in
*Literacy
Typo prone tonight,
Nigella’s On!
Thanks Tony I was lying on the couch listening to Tony Bennett with a glass of red, but now I’m on to Nigella!
“chocolate rubble”
She really is just a walking pair of tits isn’t she?
(not that there’s anything wrong with that)…
Tony’s typos are natural, Nigell’a on.
I’m endorsing this recipe technique so far (lemon cake)..
one typing hand might be elsewhere egg…
“sprightly comfort at tea time”
Yes thanks!
“My cake is poised to puncture”
I have no doubts!
Go Team … do we all like the banner at the head of this thread or should we take it down and burn it?
As for “labelling” only Fuckwits™ do that (B–I—G sarcasm alert!)
sreb, how could you possibly be racist only heterosexual white blokes are racist (E-X-T-R-A B-I-G sarcasm alert – with cheese and fries) …
… the racism tag really pisses me off … (watch Hard Pawn) … personally I do not care where you come from, who you are, as long as you are a nice person … its worked for me all my life!
Psssk yet outta here TB, we’re busy watching Nigella….!
“It’s really just Spanish sausage, very heady with paprika.”
Ole!
“Chorizo….I couldn’t live without this, because I love such a big meat…”
Don’t we all!
She really is just a walking pair of tits isn’t she? Isn’t that labelling?
I had to turn, Nigella, off last week – The Minister didn’t like the recipes (I suspect she figured out that Nigella is just a walking pair of tits) … ahhhhhhh ….
ABC “News”: Police on the Gold Coast have interviewed a group of teenagers on jet-skis “buzzed” a pod of dolphins on the Gold Coast.
What law were they supposed to have broken.
(Before I’m labelled a ‘dolphin hater’, or a ‘jetski hoon’, some of my best friends have eaten dolphin-friendly tuna.)
“Cane Toads Invasion Movie” is on…
*feeling scared already…*
FLIPPER HATER!
Jamie’s 30 minute recipes are a delight, I’m never distracted.
As we speak I’m making vegetable soup, yum.
I think the Nigella moment has gone, will someone pass Tony the tissues…
“Cane Toads Invasion Movie” is on…
*feeling scared already…*
LOL! Hand in a plsatic bag – pick the big bugger up – fold the bag over it and tie up – quick belt on something hard (not your head ToM!) and into the bin – putting in the freezer is Mexican BS!
Decided to watch Munich again … what happened to Eric Bana!
Hmm. The word vicarious comes to mind, but I’m not sure why.
Decided to pour another red, and re-assess my options…
Who are “you people…??!!”
For vicarious reasons there doesn’t seem to be much worthing on TV.
I mean “worth watching..”
“personally I do not care where you come from, who you are, as long as you are a nice person … its worked for me all my life!”
Amen.
In principle, all flags are kindling. In practice, only those that won’t get you labelled are.
In principle, all holy books are fire-starters. In practice, only those that won’t get you killed are.
The barbecue was fine, though the sausages tasted a little like polyester. If only manufacturers would use natural fibre in flags.
I object to burning anything where such burning achieves nothing and in the process causes distress to others. Be it flags, bibles, korans, or brassieres.
‘The four principles…’
Good strategy and those that pass muster should get the nod from the wider community.
“………and I believe Ratty is also involved in overseas programs too…”
Yes. Despite my “Greed is Good Mantra” which I love to upset a few of you with
I have been active raising funds for flood victims in dem darn moooooselim countries of the subcontinent plus last year got to help/donate time and money building some village housing in Cambodia along side the natives who very much appreciated being taught basic and advanced carpentry skills (so did I in fact) with tools and materials they could never afford.
These people just wanted a bit of a start. They could already fish and forage the jungle for food but good quality timber let alone tools are very expensive in far flung outposts of SE Asia.
We left them with the tools and a huge stock of timber and prior to Christmas received a thankyou video showing their progress.
Witnessing a village full of smiles makes it all worthwhile.
“……..Psssk yet outta here TB, we’re busy watching Nigella….!”
What is it with Nigella ?
She’s one of the only women on TV that quite a few of my female friends have said they’d “change team for a night”.
What is it with Nigella ?
You need to ask?
http://glossynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nigella-lawson1.jpg
Oh My God……………………………..!
Does she know any “Spanish” recipes ?
Thanks TB
I’m going to send that to 3 female friends of mine