Aboriginal activists “attack” PM on Australia Day
January 26, 2012
- hundreds of aboriginal activists launch attack on Canberra restaurant
- Prime Minister dragged to safety by riot police
- Zero arrests made
In dramatic scenes, the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard had to be dragged by riot police to safety after hundreds of protesters from the Aboriginal Tent Embassy in Canberra descended on an event where Julia Gillard, was presiding over Australia Day celebrations.
Regardless of how you feel about Ms Gillard of her government this was a disgusting display and has done nothing to advance the cause of the Aboriginal activists.
In fact, in anything it has probably set things back 80 years.
Zero arrests were made.
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I think the attack might have been directed more at Abbott. Someone asked him what he thought of the relevence of the Tent Embassy and he had the audacity to answer. So Julia has a graze on her knee and it’s abbott’s fault.
The graze on Julia’s knee is Tony’s fault, he should practice saying nothing of consequence.
That makes sense. It would have been Abbott’s fault, definitely.
I’m not too excited about this. It’s probably more a reflection of slack security.
I recall a demonstration to welcome Malcolm Fraser to Monash – which was a little more exciting, and well deserved too!
Let’s do a quick incident/accident anaysis here …
What was the injury? – grazed knee
Who to – The Prime Minister
What was the victim doing? – escaping from a
bunch of Fuckwitsgroup of Aboriginal ActivistsWhy was she there? – a scheduled official meeting to issue National Emergeny Medals
Why were the activists there? – they had been incited to protest because of a remark by the Opposition Leader
Why were the activists protesting? – because The Opposition Leader had suggested removing Tent Embassy
What event(s) (cause) could have been changed to prevent the incident/accident?
1. Held the Medal ceremony elsewhere
2. Activists not incited
3. Opposition Leader demonstrate diplomacy on Australia Day when the Tent Embassy is also celebrating its 40th Birthday … and 1500 activists have marched.
Which one cause if removed could have prevented the accident …
and why?
Prime Cause: Tony Abbott’s
opening his mouth at the wrong timecommentThe activists would not have had a reason nor been organised to go to the retaurant.
No reason to hold the medal ceremony elswhere …
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It is therefore reasonable to state that the Opposition Leader is responsible for te Prime Minister’s injury (that could have been much worse)
Abbott being the cnut of a human being that he is, I endorse public lynchmobs going after his jeebusloving arse.
Poor Dear Julia.
So we’re all agreed then? Abbott’s responsible for
everythingthis incident. He’s probably also guilty of plagiarism, assuming he was speaking English.Besides, what could be more appropriate on Invasion Day than a retaliatory restaurant invasion?
In fact, everybody from Melbourne who’s made a comment in the last few days has plagiarised English in some form or other…possibly every comment they’ve ever made.
There is no excuse for this gutter trash behaviour towards anyone. The lawful response to this should be that the agressors should be arrested.Because agressive demonstrators get away with this behaviour they feel they are justified and they and many others repeat this unAustralian behaviour.The videos should be assessed and the aggressors who have broken the law should be arrested.
Most of our ideas are probably borrowed, too. Why do we bother?
Well, it was an Invasion.
If it happened here today, that’s how we’d see it. The arsehead view of history, as propagated by Windschuttle & other Quadrantian Howardians is an attempt to gloss over intentions in the same vein of the US & its appropriation of native lands via Manifest Destiny.
The only question in my mind is when the statute of limitation expire(d)s.
Sniff it, Margaret.
I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course.
Mary Margaret’s correct. Abbott’s language towards the demonstrators was aggressive. He should be arrested forthwith.
My ideas usually occur to me first, it’s later on that it congeals within me that other people share the same germs.
I’m not a fan of this semantic-hairsplitting-as-a-rearguard-defence-of-actual-plagiarism at all.
It was an invasion, when looked at from our perspective. It might also be instructive to consider the prevailing conditions at the time.
Is it an actual offense to burn the ocker table cloth? coz I’m well lubed & about to do it. I’d post the video, but one of the sturbators might infringe me.
“It might also be instructive to consider the prevailing conditions at the time.”
I always do, what I don’t like is the refusal to countenance that there was blatant opportunism & cultural Darwinism at work in the act.
Your ‘Chomskian’ ideas occurred to Noam first, because his intellectual life began before yours. Whether you were influenced by him, only you can judge.
My ideas were mine long before I’d heard of or encountered Chomsky.
U R A many times scrubbed copy of Hayek?…or no?
Code of Harry on plagiary.
Darwinism of any kind was unknown at the time of the invasion. Darwin himself was unborn.
If you reject the invasion observation, you corollarily accept that might is right & the strong are entitled to necessarily take what they will by force.
“Darwin himself was unborn.”
No shit.
Now you’re splitting hairs. The point stands, call it Darwinism or whatever the hell you like.
You are ensuring that the burning of this red, white & blue table cloth will be all the sweeter.
I might burn an effigy of Ricky Ponting next.
‘My’ ideas are an amalgam of all I’ve read, and all I’ve heard, processed through my own ethical filter (which is also a combination of leaning and experience), and are constantly under review.
The Bolter is covering the drama, but has decided not to allow comments… for obvious reasons.
‘No shit.’
Just pointing out, again, that what we think today is an accumulation of all the thought that’s gone before. People on the first fleet of 1788 weren’t as ‘enlightened’ as we presumably are.
Welcome! MMM …
… noice to see a female face (literally!) around here … I suspect you may have been lurking before posting so will be aware of some of the awful language some posters use around here … especially the BlogMasta and ToM of course … James is a family man so relatively safe and tolettewhateverhescalledthisweek is usually blotto anyway … oh and apparently gays rule …
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Is it an actual offense to burn the ocker table cloth?
It may come as a surprise to you that my country of choice (not so sure about your goodself) does not frown legally or otherwise on the burning of our national flag – which also reminds me that it is dusk and protocol dictates that my own flag should now be withdrawn …
… back in a mo!
It was the Age of Enlightenment and the First Fleet commanders had orders to avoid injuring the people they came across in terra nullis.
Their failure in this regard was not entirely their fault.
“usually blotto anyway ”
That is entirely incorrect.
I’m standing with toiletboss on the flag issue, as I’m native born and not jingoistic.
I don’t mind flag burning because I’m not big on symbolism and believe in freedom of expression.
To discredit my words & ideas with some kind of inferrence that I am waylaid by chemicals, be they alcohol or otherwise, is to miss the point entirely. Am I to suppose that some think that the multitude of my comments are made ‘under the influence’? because that would be stupendously wrong.
I am a disciplined employee & father & partner who spends the lion’s share of my waking hours in complete control & frighteningly lucid.
Onyaz, brotherz!
Now I’ma go aburnin’
I’m standing with toiletboss on the flag issue, as I’m native born and not jingoistic
Not sure what that means, egg …? (eg, FYI, I had a couple of mates who copped it in VN, so I may view it from a different pespective) …
That is entirely incorrect.
LOL! See how rumours get started … Nasking reckoned I was always pissed!
*clink* (Bowlers Run Sem Sav Blanc 11% Uncle Dan’s – $2:50 ea any six!) …
The Minister always has a little whinge when I
needwant to replenish my WT … but ne’er a whimper at Bowlers Run … win, win, win all round! Hic!Has anyone yet alleged that the attack on our Julia was misogynist?
Don’t inhale the fumes.
Or do.
Whatever.
I am a disciplined employee & father & partner who spends the lion’s share of my waking hours in complete control & frighteningly lucid.
Settle petal, lurv the passion …
A grain of salt, TB, always.
I like to think we know what we know of each other well enough to know that we are often approaching the same issue from a different angle. Mutually exclusive but the same, or not, diversity makes the soggy biscuits taste like wedding cake.
I’m alleging misogyny. I mean, what other explanation is there?
Has anyone yet alleged that the attack on our Julia was misogynist?
Only you ya wanker! The Prime Minister was in fact an “innocent bystander” … the “activists” were after Abbott!
The difference between the USA and anywhere else in the world (I was going to say Australia) is that “shots would have been fired!” (That could be plagiarism – I’m not sure)
A grain of salt, TB, always.
Absolutely, Sunshine … love your work and actually read every word (I usually skip read ToM’s)
Enjoy the fire (Note: You do have a permit? Don’t you?)
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Only you ya wanker!
… and that other part time wanker …
(you do know what misogyny is, ToSY, don’t you?)
Okay, I’m disagreeing with TB, apparently, but what’s new?
LOL!
Dontcha lurv the outfit!
I actually perform this song these days – but this guy was the bees knees …
Number one in this year’s (today’s) Triple J Hottest 100 . . .
Sooooo…
once upon a time I wouldv’e added ‘gay’, but my homie has taughtend me dat dat ain’t the shit blokeso I’ll just say…it shoulda been ‘For The Vultures’, one of my hardcore companion’s brothers.I hope your feeling better, bro’ …
Back on topic, I think the conduct of the (tax-payer funded) tent dwellers, is nothing short of disgraceful..
I don’t care how marginalised or disenfranchised they “supposedly” might feel.
They have the “rights” and “entitlmements” (ie Centrelink) that every other Australian has, as well as an apology for past wrong doings from the highest office in this land..
What TF else do they want..??
Maybe they should just get off their arses and get a job rather than living in this so called “tent Embassy”….
My sympathy for their so called “cause” has evaporated.
Youze are old knobz. especially the yachtfondlerz.
I went thru dat kidshit aeonz ago. Beachfront on Phillip Island…
green wit envy my good messiah-denierawesome, bloke. I’ll teach you how to surf. Just taught the youngster, now a hellish convert; no looking backj. Git yo self a minimal son, the shame of ‘em is somewhat diminbished nowadayts. I gotta say, for the active here, surfin’ is the motherfucking source, you will love it, it will keep you fit &ersand you’ll get the fuck in touch with the majority of the planet that you do not ampersand cannot in habit. Leaving your comfort zone is the illest shit my niggaz!yeh, I’m spastik, & the burnin’ was hifknlarious, true dat, I shit yooze not my good peeplesz.
As strange as it may seem, I kinda agree with reb’s last comment.
Ya can’t have people just attacking our covergirlz & catholik posterboyz like dat.
But seriously, Yes, I agree.
Gotta maintain some sort of decorum, it probably wasn’t called for & Julia will bear the brunt for fucktard’s comments. [plagiary or otherwise]
Im was always in 2 minds as to whether or not to tangle with shane, we shared similar views but longitudinally divergent modus operandi.
Everyone’s got a fkn hard luck story (I know I have), but most of us just pick up the chips we’re dealt with and move on as best we can..
I have no sympathy for people who want to wallow in the “poor me victim mentality” and expect the world to owe them a living…
Just sayin’…
Yeah, well. For The Vultures couldn’t even make the Top 100. Could have something to do with the
lack oflimited appeal of the genre.The thing that amazes me Boss, is that twitter is awash with all the lefties declaring that maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to celebrate Australia Day at a restaurant in Parliment House when the so called “tent Embassy:”was just 200 metres away.
So what are we meant to do now, cancel ANY form of Australia Day celebrations lest we upset a bogan camp of unemployed Aboriginal yobbos?
I’m not one for jingo-istic praise of “the flag”, but the conduct of these so-called “Aboriginal activists” today is nothing short of reprehensible.
I no longer have no sympathy for their cause, which is a shame, because I once did.
I’m not hearing a lot of PC stuff from the leftoids on this topic. Aborigines are supposed to be able to do no wrong, because they were disposessed in The Invasion. All other trains of thought belong to Greedy, Uncompassionate Wingnutz.
… is sreb, N5, in disguise, just sayin’?
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Now, I for one, don’t WANT the police to have more POWER but this sort of crap really gives people a “reason” to ask for it!
Bernard Tomic, is a tennis player nothing more, nothing less, he may “think” he’s a fkn superstar … but he (and his old man apparently) is just another Fuckwit™ …
WOW!
Get caught being a smart arse wear it …
… the bugger is 19 … he needs to be taught a bit of self-discipline in society and he might just improve as a tennis player too ..
http://www.news.com.au/national/bernard-tomic-drives-into-trouble-again-in-his-bmw-on-the-gold-coast/story-e6frfkvr-1226254558048
… and you’ve gotta feel for the fuzz … hey?
I have small sympathy for ‘em, reb, but the cause is worthy.
It’s just that the ambassadorz are completely fucked.
In the age of information, ugly & obscurantist is obstructionist to ‘teh movement’.
* ya see, I know how it works. YomM soiled my pedestalic vision of Yim Yunloptard & also awakened me to the bitter cynicism which politicking is made of. I thank, YomM: as damnable praise as that may seem. One day we may share a wave. I have fast learnes that the best dudesw to share a wave with down here are the older ones; intelligent conversation copmes at a premium & I do so ever hate exerting my physical authority upon the Mt.Burrtards.
I no longer have no sympathy for their cause, which is a shame, because I once did.
You sound like you’ve seen the blight!
One day we may share a wave. I have fast learnes that the best dudesw to share a wave with down here are the older ones; intelligent conversation copmes at a premium & I do so ever hate exerting my physical authority upon the Mt.Burrtards.
HD, you are now melding with Meta … a dangerous development …
I’m angry about this because:
- We have come so far in relations with indigenous Australians since Rudd’s apology
-The assault on the Canberra venue was just so unnecessary and provocative
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The action of the Aboriginal protesters will backfire significantly
- Their action will simply fuel racism towards them rather than alleviate it
-It was an ill-considered exercise that won’t help their cause
I hope they’re prepared for the backlash because it ain’t going to be pretty
- It was unnecessary
- You brought it upon yourselves.
I have absolutely no problem with the tent embassy, I have no problem with the rigorous demonstration, and I think Abbott is a goose.
I’d be entirely happy to see a symbol of indigenous dispossession, such as a tent embassy, in every city. We’re 224 years in and these people remain the most marginalised in society. If they have a sense that passive co-operation with the political system is a dead end, then I’d say they’re showing some good judgement.
The political system has delivered NOTHING, and there is no reason to imagine that this will change. Activism at least provides some focus on the issues and without it public and political apathy will just continue to prevail.
Personally, I’m sick of the platitudes of politicians and I’m annoyed with white people who feel entitled to criticise black leaders on the basis of their political orientation.
The protest itself was relatively tame; there were no tomatoes, no eggs, no spitting, just a little jostling. The only reason it is getting so much coverage is that the cameras were rolling.
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And surfing is about the most egalitarian, stimulating, refreshing, fun, natural release possible, and it’s free! No young or mature person should be without a board.
Fuck me, has Tom just asserted his “left’ credentials??
‘Their action will simply fuel racism towards them rather than alleviate it’
I’m not so down on the restaurant invasion. That was probably a spur-of-the-moment one-off misjudgement. It might, however, allow some wriggle room in the conversation that was previously locked-down by
Cultural Marxismpolitical correctness.Hardly left! It’s just the I see it as-
[tick] now let’s do nothing for a couple of decades.
For generations programs have failed dismally, there is no plan only platitudes.
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Thanks HD, there is just something about being in the water.
I mean -
Apology – [tick] now let’s do nothing for a couple of decades
Even in this (relatively) open forum, there are some topics where you have to think before commenting, lest the polital correctness police shout you down as some kind of heartless “ist”.
The contest of ideas should be open to all, and all opinions, without the risk of labelling.
reb you are entilted to have your say now shut the fk up you idiot . do you know first hand they’re all on the dole . just imagine if germans and japanese won the war and all these people running this counrty would you be happy and content to speak japanese i didn’t think so . black people were punished for speaking their language and living their customs where children as young as 2 months where forcibly removed(. halfcast) halfcasts only came about because white man couldn’t keep his filty hands off them in the first place and now that kid removed for his own good . my mother was taken when she was 4 years old. it wasn’t until 1967 that aboriginals got the right to vote in their own country i was born the same year and my two brothers were born 65 66 so they weren’t citizen not ancient history . aboriginal people worked same hours and same work for less than half their wages but had to get permission from the protector or police , and if they didn’t have a good excuse to collect their money the police or protector just simply said no and used it for his own enjoyment. mount isa hospital ,townsville hospital commonwealth bank the queensland electricity all got started on unpaid wages( sorry stolen ) and a few other companies in queensland.it was the aboriginal stockmen who helped to get the cattle industry in the north. blacks fought for this country since the boer war right through to today war. so reb i think you need to shut up and stop trying to stir up you imbicile. i can go on and on and on about this country and the trash that blow in on the endeavour and the smell still stinks today. tony
”The contest of ideas should be open to all, and all opinions, without the risk of labelling.”
I agree!
Hang about, Toilet. There are only two places you could have done the yachting thing on Phillip Island. Either a bogan town named after an island town in England, or a fishing village named after a small town in Wales. If it’s the latter, we’ve met. If it’s the former, well I’ve probably flogged you on the race course!
Hi Tony and welcome. Pretty well all you’ve said is well acknowledged in this place, and sympathy for aboriginal welfare is universal, although there is often debate about how that is best achieved.
A smart arse journalist asked a question of a politician today. The question was provocative and the politician was either too dumb or too honest to avoid it. His answer was his opinion and it was neither unreasonable nor undiplomatically expressed. Are you saying that that was fair reason to riot?
Like I said, tony C, everyone has a hard luck story, you have yours, I have mine…
The difference is that I don’t expect the world to owe me a living..
hello lapsdchrstnfekdent and welcome to you also. when you been under the masters thum for over 200 years there comes a time in ones life when you say enough is enough .
reb iam a gardener by trade i started work when i was 7 years old cutting and barking props for the mines . my father started when he was 13 worked till his was in 60s ihave been working in the horticultral industry for over 20 years now .my brothers work in the government. yes there were most likely people who get sit down money there but i bet not all where on the dole
The first few seconds glimpsed in the “dramatic” and well-positioned camera shots of this incident, together with the faces and expressions of those people on the periphery of the main action, indicate to me if this event wasn’t a training exercise it was definitely choreographed for dramatic effect. My training, experience and intuition tell me that this was a staged event. These sham events follow a global blueprint for false-flag actions since 9/11 through 7/7 including both Bali attacks. The final proof that this action today was a sham, are the pathetic comments published here blaming that utter wanker Abbott for this “incident”.
Abbott was sacked by the electorate 3 years ago, why is that fool the only alternative PM? You bunch of Triassic commies should find your way into a tar-pit and leave humanity to evolve into a higher life-form! Your bullshit song & dance routines are getting worse, 20 years ago you could have pulled this off, errrnk! Wrong, this time it is obvious that the Pigs are cannon fodder and the yids that pull that lezzo gillard’s strings are in total control!
Fail!
Bring on Iran, WW3 you filthy traitors and then we’ll see who exacts revenge on the streets through the fog of war! Ww3 and no-one is going to have the resources to investigate the deaths of a bunch of devious apparatchiks known to the PTB!
Coooeee, you dummies don’t even have an inkling that the Party purges the Party FIRST!
An Australian Patriot.
iam with you patriot the haves will have nothing and the people who support them will all go down with the ship.
Tony, [not, Yony] cannot br rasily gidcounyrg.
*”Hang about, Toilet. There are only two places you could have done the yachting thing on Phillip Island.”
hang about yourelf, I’ve never surfed farther East tham winkipop & I don’t believe I’ve ever claimed I have.
SA, is acclaimed worldwide as sharky & nasty by those who think too much about delightful tropical postcards prior to entering the water. Littlr wonder that I have nutz the size of Leonatd cohen’s ample discography a-swinging from my hero-bag.
scary shit that themetro-tards just cain’t come by rolling for me.
That’s just how I roll.
Patriot= megatardheinrich with a sideorder of welcome you, tnuc, ampersand the horse you limped in on b e a t c h…
“everyone has a hard luck story, you have yours, I have mine…
The difference is that I don’t expect the world to owe me a living..”
So true. Life can be & is gruelling, but mfkn awesome
. Everything else, for the most part, is horribly incidental..
“My training, experience and intuition tell me that this was a staged event.”
Good boy, now rollover..pull yer fkn head in boy, while I tweak yer V-chip & take the time to bravely double-thick your valiant tinfoil helm..
* BTW, Jarl Ragnwald is a massive hat tip to a bastardisation of a skyrim mayor, not some sage from the ether…& no, it’s not me & I have no fkn idea who it is. I’m just particularly familiar with Teh Dark Brotherhood.
“The contest of ideas should be open to all, and all opinions, without the risk of labelling.”
Eau de gutter.
This is how we roll…
“And surfing is about the most egalitarian, stimulating, refreshing, fun, natural release possible, and it’s free! No young or mature person should be without a board.”
Truer words hath ne’er been spoke.
to toilet i think you are talking shit can’t understand a word you farted out , and whats with the horns on your head are you one of the devil worshippers,
“there is just something about being in the water.”
It’s a different world out there, the bullshit melts. Clarity is being ready for the next set.
Yeah, legobrain, that’s me, a devil worshipper
Give me something to flay you by. pom-pom drone.
what the fuck is pom pom drone
Besides which, those drones as they were known below decks, betwixt the malnourished onslaught & the exterminable epithets dids’t mine pom-poms affray.
Thou art einsternedene neubauten, harimau galak.
Kebun raya bogor, tony c.,..
Keluarga saya?
Bahasa? mofo
All too easy, Herr gardener by trade
toilet you need to wipe your chin because this will melt away all the bullshit thats coming in waves by waves there is somthing in the water that will clear the shit that comes out of your mouth
Night-shift lag?
The visitors seem nice.
One thing we can say about the prime minister is she’s not an extravagent dresser. Her shoes are Midas brand, and would have cost $150 at the most.
Compare that to Michelle Obama’s habit of wearing $2,000 dresses.
I still don’t see what all the fuss is about.
All that happened is that some protesters got a little rowdy over an entirely legitimate cause.
None of them got near Julia, no one tried to throw anything.
The PM lost a shoe! I’m sure the taxpayers will cover the cost of a new one (at $75), maybe even 2.
I think it’s remarkable that somehow Tony Abbott is being blamed for the conduct of these louts…
Simply suggesting that people ought to “move on” from the tent embassy politics of the 70′s is pretty bloody tame, and in no way warranted the violence and aggression the ensued..
Maybe some people just have way too much time on their hands…
In the words of the great Paul Keating – “get a job”.
Indigenous leader Warren Mundine, a former ALP national president, said the protesters over-reacted to Mr Abbott’s comments.
“The words were pretty timid,” he told ABC Radio, adding Mr Abbott did not say anything about shutting down the embassy.
“He echoed words, I would have echoed.”
Mr Mundine said when the tent embassy was set up in 1972 it met the aspirations of Aboriginal people at the time.
“But quite frankly it is irrelevant to the mainstream of Aboriginal people today and it has been for the last 20 years,” he said.
Mr Mundine’s comments follow similar remarks by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner Mick Gooda who said he was appalled at the level of disrespect and aggression shown towards the two leaders.
He described the protest as “aggressive, divisive and frightening”.
“Vent your frustrations and your anger but do it in a peaceful way,” Mr Gooda told ABC Radio.
“Do it in a way that befits Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.”
He also defended Mr Abbott’s comments, saying they had been misconstrued.
“Cooler heads have got to prevail.”
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/aboriginal-protesters-overreacted-to-tony-abbott-says-warren-mundine/story-e6frfku0-1226254941899#ixzz1kbXhaluC
Just been listening to 2GB. An allegation has been made that someone from Gillards office contacted the people at the tent embassy and told them that Abbott has just stated that the tent embassy should be torn down and guess what?? Abbott is just across the road at the restaurant. So this person was trying to create trouble.
Actually Abbott did not say that the embassy should be torn down but that people should “move on”
Ray Hadley said he would name the person from Gillards office if he can verify the story.
I like Warren Mundine, he’s articulate, intelligent, committed. He’s no hack.
It’s a pity the ALP hasn’t figured out how to get him and similar people into parliament. It’s a reflection on their pathetic structure.
Mundine is media savvy.
The point is that the protest wasn’t violent, it was noisy and visible to TV cameras.
Abbott’s comment’s weren’t particularly provocative, unless you are dispossessed and see the tent embassy as a symbol of passive resistance to political crap and inertia. His comments show a lack of insight- in my opinion.
Now that would be interesting Neil.
Perhaps a journalist could just ask the PM whether she can confirm or deny this.
“a symbol of passive resistance to political crap and inertia”
Perhaps, others might look at the tent embassy as a symbol of the activists own inertia and inability to move on from the past.
It’s so much easier to just sit on your arse all day, and moan about how the govt should really be doing a lot more to help you, and how you’ve been marginalised and down trodden for as far as you can remember.
And then to just get all fired up and aggro when you feel like a bit of biffo.
The world doesn’t owe anyone a living.
In fact, I was thinking this morning about how my local Woolies supermarket employes about a dozen sudanese refugees. I also know a few in the local club.
I was chatting to one a week or so ago, and he was telling me about how he had to leave his wife and kids back home but was grateful to be able to come to Australia and to have the opportunity to work and send money home.
The difference in attitude couldn’t be any more palpable…
Just been listening to 2GB. An allegation has been made that someone from Gillards office contacted the people at the tent embassy … Ray Hadley said he would name the person from Gillards office if he can verify the story.
The Neil(s)’ are back in town and the conspiracy theories abound!
Shouldn’t you lot be back at school, today?
sreb, I see this topic managed to draw some worms out of the woodwork … I’m surprised at, HD’s, involvement too … a sideorder of welcome you, tnuc, ampersand the horse you limped in on b e a t c h… … is that deep and meaningless or what
WoW!
How did Abbotts words get changed from “its time to move on” to “tear down the tent embassy?” What part did the media play in this?
Ray Hadley says he has the name of the person in Gillards office who told the tent embassy that Abbott was just nearby and said the embassy should be torn down.
Hadley has contacted the PM’s office about this accusation and will release the name if the story is proven.
“To hell with the government and the courts” ~ Tent Embassy founder Michael Anderson
That would be the same government that offered an unmitigated apology to all Aborigines and the Stolen Generations for their “profound grief, suffering and loss” in 2008.
http://www.news.com.au/national/pm-moves-to-heal-the-nation/story-e6frfkw9-1111115539560#ixzz1kbhkwwHm
“I see this topic managed to draw some worms out of the woodwork …”
Hasn’t it…
(I have no idea what HD rambles on about in the wee hours of the morning)…
The BBC gave the ‘invasion’ second billing last night, storm in a tea cup.
Ray Hadley has just stated that someone from Gillards office rang Barbara Shaw (Greens PM) that Abbott wanted to tear down the embassy and that he was just across the road at the restaurant. This information was relayed by Shaw to the tent embassy.
Watch the interview that started all the fuss!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-27/abbotts-embassy-comments/3796304
I think it’s pretty clear he was talking about “moving on” in a metaphorical sense, not that the tent slum should be demolished…
Heck he even praised the Kevin Rudd apology as one of the “great achievements” of the Rudd government…
The Tent Embassy Conspiracy … working title for a movie of intrigue and political skullduggery!
Well, I am inclined to agree with the Opposition Leader this time … maybe that’s what this country needs too … less confrontation and more negotiation …
I agree TB…
And then there’s this crap from some so-called “Tent embassy spokesman” Mark Murtrie this morning saying that the protest was not violent and the Aboriginals were simply trying to speak with the Opposition Leader.
“The only violence you can see came from police. It wasn’t violent,” Mr Murtrie told ABC News 24.
Murtrie said Mr Abbott had disrespected his people with his comments yesterday.
Watch his interview here…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-27/tent-embassy-spokesman-hits-back/3796212
This should be good news for Tony’s standing in the polls.
What is it with the left and violence?? Conservative politicians whether they are in govt or Opposition tend to drive the left to violence.
If Gillard had said the tent embassy should be torn down nothing would have happened. I guess because it is one of their own saying it rather than from the alleged enemy.
Just in…
“Rebecca Healy says Barkly Shire Council President Rosalie Kunoth-Monks’ comments stirred up the rally. And she says there was anger when Barbara Shaw from Mount Nancy Town Camp in Alice Springs told the crowd Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott wanted to put an end to the Tent Embassy.”
“Someone walked up on stage and told Barb Shaw who I know from Alice Springs and tell her that Tony Abbott was just on radio saying that he was going to pull down the tents and that we should all go over there. And she directed the crowd to the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.”
****TENTGATE!****
The so called “Aboriginal Tent Embassy” says it will make a “significant announcement” this afternoon, it’s understood it involves legal documents..
Here’s are a few points that might help illustrate why Abbott is wrong in saying people should move on.
*Rate of incarceration.
*Rate of infant mortality.
*Life expectancy.
When these measures start to approach the rates of the rest of society, perhaps we can all give ourselves a slap on the back and ‘move on’
The view from Bob Carr….
Warren Mundine is a coconut sell out and is not an Aboriginal leader. The sooner you dumb white australians wake up to this fact the better.
Who care about that stupid token gesture in the constitution? The ‘expert panel’ do not represent the Aboriginal people and are unelected puppets. Shove that white australian constitution where it fits.
What is it with the left and violence?? Conservative politicians whether they are in govt or Opposition tend to drive the left to violence.
Did I mention sonething about confrontation in an earlier post? FMD!
Some people just don’t get it, do they?
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*Rate of incarceration.
*Rate of infant mortality.
*Life expectancy.
These issues need to be addressed by the Aboriginal communities themselves (and in many places they are) … our representatives (ie government) are doing things to help … but nothing beats self help … or, the recognition that they need help, not jus a cheque every fortnight …
The issues you raise would have one major cause (there’s others, like isolation, lack of amenities, hygiene and opportunities) …
The answer is not to “blame” white folk OR Aboriginals … the majority of non-Aboriginals want the People to succeed … there are too many people, on both sides, talking about why the Aboriginals DON’T rather than how they CAN!
I know the statistics as well as anyone … but I’ve also seen communities that recognise the problem comes from within and done something about it and those communities that, for want of better word, “drift” …
Many Australians tend to “blanket” the Aboriginal Nation with “statistics” – rarely do we see success stories …
One thing that I have admired about Tony Abbott was the fact that he stayed and worked in Aboriginal Communities … not sure I know of any other senior pollie whose actually done that …
The trouble flared up because the Black Power Movement of the 1970s came to town, not to celebrate 40 years but bemoan the fact that its been 224 years since Phillip set foot on terra nullis.
Really? He is moderate, intelligent and articulate, and he would make a good contribution to politilal life generally – if not for ALP hacks.
But how is he a sellout?
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How odd that Bob Carr would write ‘blah, blah, blah’.
Bob pontificates from the land of the long white cloud.
….Bernays would be resting comfortably in his grave….!
Knock Knock … who’s there … terra nullis !
I’m not simply saying that a white government should solve all the problems for black people. It is far more complicated.
I’m pointing out that it is false to assert that we’ve come along way. We haven’t – and suggesting that it’s time to get rid of the symbols of dispossession (as Abbott did), is just providing encouragement for public and political apathy.
Governments won’t react to more forelock tugging niceness, there is a place for rowdy protest.
Mundine is a low life sell out white loving traitior. The fool preaches about the “poor black kids” being abused and has not one ounce of evidence to back it up and you dumb convicts lap it up. This fool walked out on his black wife and kids so he can shack up with some white bimbo…so much for the moral he preaches…but alas you dumb white media groups don’t report on that. He is as articualte as a white australian cronulla thug.
“Did I mention sonething about confrontation in an earlier post? FMD!”
Plenty of people say confrontational things but do not get violent like “the left” does. Did you read what I said? If Gillard had said what Abbott was alleged to have said there would have been no violence. “The left” has a victimhood mentality and their problems are all due to Conservative politicians.
It is not often I agree with an ALP politician but I agree with basically everything that Bob Carr said.
“And the ragbag Left will never forgo an opportunity to turn a “demo” violent.”
So true Bob.
Farrakham has a nice way with words….not sure about his sentiment.
Meanwhile ‘over there’ its all Abbott’s fault.
Farrakhal -the politics of indigenous organisations are as factionalised as any others, I suppose.
From what I understand, some people like Mundine, some loathe him.
That’s hardly unusual for a leader.
elgordo your talking shit now black power had fuck all to do with this whites just want to show who is the master because it undermines your authority when blacks get out of control. remember elgordo those who are first shall come last and those who are last shall come first. elgordo that doesn’t sound white why are you licking the whitemans arse. people saying this sets back relations 80 years there was no relation there in the first place. world war 3 is just around the corner when this country is invaded i want you to remember this mr know it all elgordo elfaggoto i want to see your face on this day.
Abbott’s fault…
Maybe, but if there was a call from the PMs office, it will be embarassing for her rather than Abbott.
Mundine a “leader”, geez you anglo australians truly are stupid.
The good news is that the Anglo Australians were wrong when they said in the 19th century that the original people would probably die out and to “sooth the dying pillow”.
Your people have not died out, but they have not faired well.
What would you do if you were in charge?
white people brought nothing but hate ,war rape, disease corruption stole land commited genicide on millions of races lied cheated and they still at it killing people innocent children and women ,old men all for our good elgordo you want to put yourself amongst these rapist ,murders cheats liars trouble makers . your time is up whitepeople it;s the blackmans time to dish out what we blacks have been copping all the time ever since their mothers shat them out.
tony c, should comment here more often …
if only he could it a little more eloquently…
Takes all sorts I s’pose…
Paul Sheehan:
“The shoe should be returned to Gillard, with apologies, but that would require an act of moral courage. So it’s not going to happen.
The mayhem when Gillard lost her shoe may have received abundant publicity, and created an image that went around the world, but it is a disaster for the credibility of the indigenous justice movement in Australia, which has been working with other leading Australians and politicians to put a referendum to voters to recognise indigenous people in the constitution.
Now a fringe has muscled into the media glare, pushing aside the constructive majority. This will stick in the public’s mind.”
Hear! Hear!
“commited genicide on millions of races”
Is it a full moon or sumthin’?
el gordo what would i do i i where in charge medical ,education would be free( university) every body black and white choose a house to live in and the rent would go towards buying the property so you not paying dead money year in year out.electricity would be free , money from the mines would make this possible . you want me to go on
The self-appointed spokesman for Aborigines, Paul Coe has just told a media conference in Canberra “If you don’t respect us, you can piss off out of our country.”
I wonder how that whole “demanding respect” thing is going to work out after yesterday’s display….
reb whats a matter you gone all shy about genicide rape murder corruption theif lies destruction hate misery. remember you whites have pissed of half the world , running out of friends and made alot of emenies along the way , fullmoon my arse don’t you like the truth reb
“you want me to go on”
Why bother? Basically you think the world owes you a living. That’s problem with “you people” – no idea whatsoever that you might have some personal sense of responsibility for your own situation…
It’s so much easier to sit in a park somewhere crying “woe is me”, and blaming everyone else for your circumstances, rather than getting off your arse and doing something about it..
No that’s okay tc, its polly anna stuff, the country is moving to the right.
‘Get over it, move on,’ say Tent Embassy protestors to Australians upset by yesterday’s scenes.
(‘Move on,’ is the same expression the Tent Embassy protestors say they were offended by.)
“whats a matter you gone all shy about genicide rape murder corruption theif lies destruction hate misery.”
You got your apology in 2008, what else do you want, a receipt…..?
It is worth noting though, can you imagine the OUTRAGE of the barrackers if the anti carbon tax rallies had ended like this?
They do feign morality about placards than about actions.
reb i have two best friends since school days and they are white we are still friends today after 30 years iam sorry if i said thinds that cause anger ,but got to look at it in my shoes,iam not racist when you loose everything from language culture customs land family loss of identity you struggle
“The media has framed it as violent but the tent embassy protest was basically peaceful. It’s this gross distortion – and the heavy-handed response of the AFP – that warrant criticism,” writes Ben Eltham
You lot can stick that apology where it fits. And it is about time your lot got over anzac day as well. If you want to celebrate stupid whiteys being cannon fodder for the Turks then go right ahead as the rest of us could not give a crap. The onlt decent anglo australian i have come across has been a dead one.
Farrakhan makes some good points.
tony c
I suppose I’ve got invaders blood in my veins … my ancestors were Norman (1515 is as far as we can go) but I’ve got a touch of Roman, Saxon, Celt, Pict, Norseman (Viking to you), Celt … all great cultures …
… what can I say I invaded Australia in 1961 … then in 1970 they asked if I’d like to invade Vietnam, I said no, but they gave me a few clothes, some tucker and a rifle anyway … and me not an Australian … the only Aboriginal Nasho I came across in my two years was the one that had “volunteered” … Aboriginals weren’t required just us dumb arsed whitey boys … no complaints from the People then!
See how easy it is to blame and condemn? I chose to live here ’cause its the be st country in the world … no need to go invading ever again …
thats it i had my say it will be sorted in the afterlife goodbye iam sorry if i offended people with the things i said tony costelloe
Protesters are marching to Parliament house…
large police presence…
http://lockerz.com/s/178120240
****LIVE COVERAGE****
Protestors are burning Australian flag outside Parliament.
That’ll really garner public support…
Tony Costello may get better traction at the cafe, they have an authority down there.
tony c – I wouldn’t worry to much about giving offense. That’s a fairly routine activity here.
‘Protestors are burning Australian flag outside Parliament.’
If toiletboss was in Canberra right now, this would all start to make sense.
Flag burning sounds good. I’d like to run a petrol soaked one up a flag pole, an have everyone flick matches at it.
A flag is a piece of cloth, but it is also a symbol – of different things to different people. I can’t help wondering what would happen if someone burnt an Aboriginal flag outside parliament?
From Latika Bourke via twitter…
“Was standing with tv crew and another journalist when a protestor walked past and said ‘animalistic c**nts,’ at us.”
I blame the education system.
Burning their flag would be arrogant and provocative. The powerful have an obligation to the dispossessed. The converse doesn’t really make much sense.
People at the carbon tax rally, some with offensive signs were called extremists. People trying to do violence to the PM and Opposition leader are called activists.
So the activists claim that they weren’t violent, there was just 200 hundred of them banging on the glass walls of the restaurant shouting “shame” and “racist”.
I think some people, returned servicemen for example, to whom the Australian flag might have a different meaning than it does to others, might see the act of burning it as provocative, too. If flag burning is an act of expression, it should be allowed regardless of whose flag it is. Freedom of expression protects the right to offend, even if the offender is powerful, and the offended weak. Personally, I wouldn’t burn anyone’s flag, but I defend the right of others to do it.
tony c
… no offense here … talkin’s what its all about, bro’!
Burn Baby Burn!
Maybe. But when a disadvantaged minority group protests by burning a flag- it seems like protest.
If the ethnic group representing the overwelhming majority burned the flag of a disadvantaged minority, well that would see more like bullying.
“Freedom of expression protects the right to offend, even if the offender is powerful, and the offended weak.
In a bizarre twist of bizarreness, one of the Aboriginal activists said yesterday that some of the protesters weren’t black skinned people, ie suggesting that they weren’t Aboriginal….
Which kind of has a weird parallel with something Andrew Bolt might say, (in a roundabout twisted mirror image type thing…)
Farrakhan, I’m over Anzac Day, but I’m quite happy to see others march.
Farrakhan.
Last name’s not “Elle” by any chance?
Its fair to say the disadvantaged are always looking for permanet perks, no matter what the packaging. The Bolter walked into a minefield.
…and in a further bizarre twist, the owner of a site elsewhere noted ‘the lack of black faces’.
Bob Carr was right, they were white Trots, professional activists.
“the owner of a site elsewhere noted ‘the lack of black faces’.”
Exactly what Bolt was taken to court over: querying the motives of white-skinned Aborigines. (The court case itself being a shameful, illiberal trampling of freedom of expression.)
Yes it’s interesting. Apparently that type of comment is fine, as long as it’s posted by a ‘left leaning’ blogger on a ‘left leaning’ blog.
It’s not what you say, it’s who says it.
Re: The flag burning … its odd that people who seek acknowledgment create a situation where that acknowledgement can only be negative?
A simple apology would have been nice ….
If this is true there could be trouble
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/reports-the-prime-ministers-office-encouraged-protesters-to-target-tony-abbott-over-tent-embassy/story-fn59niix-1226255195987
“THE Prime Minister is yet to respond today to a report that one of her staffers rang an Aboriginal tent embassy protester yesterday to say Tony Abbott wanted the camp torn down.”
I must admit I find it a little strange that she seemed concerned about Abbott.
tb and tom thanks for them words. this reb fella somthing stuck up his arse or maybe a blackfella beat him up at school because. i wish he just say whats really on his mind , does he want civil war here do we need to stap ourselves with explosives does he want to return to to whites only policy seperate schools ,drinking fountain blacks down at the back of the bus clowns running around with white hoods on burning the cross and pledging their support for the devil. i would like reb to take on a challenege paint himself black for 7 days if not reb how about you and me sort this out in the bush the old fashion way
LOL!
tony c, are you in Australia right now?
‘It’s all speculation’ (mark 477)
Julia will say…‘Following press reports that a member of my staff made a phone call to the tent embassy which misrepresented comments by Mr Abbott, I made inquires.
I can assure the public that there was no misrepresentation of Mr Abbott, and there was no recommendation that protesters transfer their action to the Lobby Restaurant.
Any telephone conversation was personal and between friends. The press should respect this privacy.
I trust that this statement puts paid to the allegations.
No, I’m not taking questions’
I can hear the Prime Minister now, ToM …
Godwin Gretch … writ large? Mmmmmm …
TB yes where are you
“A simple apology would have been nice ….”
AGREED!
As well as the “return of the shoe,” perhaps in some sort of smoking cleansing returnfication of the midas shoe ceremony…
“this reb fella somthing stuck up his arse”
No comment…
“if not reb how about you and me sort this out in the bush the old fashion way”
That sounds tempting, but you could at least offer to buy me a drink first…
I’m in, Oz, tony c … thought TB Queensland might be a bit of a clue
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Perhaps symbolic throwing of the shoe ..? Burning is so once off …
Wonder if Midas is significant? Need to ask a clairvoyant …
Hey, Minister …!
That sounds tempting, but you could at least offer to buy me a drink first…
You might have to drink out of the same bottle, tony c — be very careful here …
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I notice, Jarl Ragnvald, is in fine form at CW …
“Jarl Ragnvald, is in fine form at CW”
Agreed. Pity no one else is…
I’d quite like to join the conversation and talk to the intellectual heavyweights who make these sorts of observations:
“I noticed they burnt the flag on top of a pile of gum leaves. Maybe they were cleansing the flag” ~ Catching Up
and…
“And how many of that number were non-Aboriginals? The media and others are going on about the behavior of the crowd, expressing outrage that this is how Aborigines behave. Err, no. They don’t.” ~ Miglo
So, there were no Aborigines involved in the protests? Is that what the Cafe patrons sincerely believe?
FMD.
tb i got no ill feelings towards you old mate i would love to have a beer with you but tb do you want share a bottle with this black duck it might upset reb black fella white fella sharing a bottle of beer the audacity of this abo
Jarl, continues to remind his harassers, they are “still blaming the victim and Shooting the messenger” …
Reminds me of my days training managers/supervisors in OHS … some would/could not come to grips with the concept of duty of care and their responsibility … the Act & Regs were my fault … apparently … or I’d misinterpreted them … duh …
“this black duck”
Had you figured as the little black duck all along, but thanks for confirming…
Miglo is channeling Bolt. And he’s right.
LOL! Agree … thock puppeths, hey?
I’m really enjoying this thread …
… this seems appropriate … I remember teaching about 12 managers from US and Canada the chorus to this song at a bar/restaurant called Spondivits, in Atlanta back in the late 90′s …
*clink*
Off to Chinese New Year an hour or so …
Oh fark…..been done already!! Hate that!
Re: Have aDrink on Me
I forgot to mention that I substituted “wank” for “drink” …
The two Canadians pissed themselves and after about five choruses one of the Yanks asked them why they were laughing so much … he told them … the singing slowly subsided as the news travelled around the table explaining what “wank” meant … they got over it …
Much amusement was had … love them Canucks … (well most of them
)
Spondivits was a bit – shall we say “rough” in those days … dosn’t seem to have changed much …
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&sugexp=lttmo,n%3D130&cp=18&gs_id=1z&xhr=t&q=Spondivits+atlanat&newwindow=1&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1609&bih=889&wrapid=tljp1327650466311034&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=lVYiT8rnNuGyiQfsz6ncBA
http://spondivits.net/
See More:
http://bit.ly/julia-gillard-australia-day-protest
http://www.news.com.au/national/mob-sinks-slipper-into-nations-day/story-e6frfkw9-1226255658773
“A SENIOR media adviser within the Prime Minister’s own staff has been forced to resign after tipping off protesters about Tony Abbott’s remarks over the Canberra tent embassy.
Tony Hodges, who has been on Julia Gillard’s staff since July 2009, admitted making a phone call alerting a person to the Opposition Leader’s comments.”
What did Gillard know and when did she know it???
‘What did Gillard know and when did she know it???’
That’s a fair question, although I’d probably put it another way: How closely does Ms Gillard (micro)manage her staff. Would they dare do something like this of their own accord, or was it approved by, and done with the knowledge of, the boss. The other question is: where does the buck stop in the PM’s office. The staff member in question has already been thrown under a bus, but how much responsibility should be placed at the (bare) feet of Ms Gillard?
Miglo – ’Without trying to sound like Andrew Bolt, from the images I’ve seen there were not many black faces amongst them.”
Sounds rather like Bolt to me!
I must admit when i heard Gillard say “what about Mr Abbott” it made me suspicious.
Sounded a little bit like a setup which she new about that had gone wrong.
This might just be the catalyst for a spill, if she is implicated.
Nah, nuthin happenin’ here.
‘The Prime Minister says the media officer did not ‘suggest or encourage violence’ but that his action ‘was an error of judgement. As such, the staff member’s resignation has been accepted.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard-left-redfaced-after-abbott-leak-20120127-1qljq.html#ixzz1keD8Se4j
I wonder how they are going to blame what Tony Hodges did on Abbott??
This constant fitting up of Tony Abbott is as transparent as it is counterproductive. That the ALP have so little insight into the Australian mind is reason enough alone for their lack of fitness for office.
But Abbott is a wingnut, so the end justifies the means.
No, no, no. Regardless of what Abbott said, the ALP barrackers know what he meant.
They’ve done everyone a great favour by reinterpreting their view of his thoughts, rather than having us rely on his mere words.
Thanks Julia’s media unit!!
Thanks barrackers!
But seriously guys, with every stunt like this, all they manage is to add to the attraction of Abbott. It wouldn’t surprise me if the thing was set up right from the initial question. It was an odd question although I haven’t seen the whole presser.
It’s the Hate Media-Unit.
Ms Gillard and her “offfice”: The Gang Who Couidn’t Shoot Straight.
Tony sure has the ALP rattled. He has got into their brains and is driving them nuts. Strange they behave like this when they are safe until the next election.
But it seems to be the ALP way. They try and demonise their opponents but this time it has backfired.
1. It was only a background briefing.
2. Tony Hodges is a Murdoch plant.
3. Networking with like minded people is a proper professional activity.
4. Tony Abbott had a brain fart.
5. John Howard threw a baby overboard.
6. Senator Mary Jo is a shoplifter.
Not a good start to the year for Gillard.
She breaks a written, verbal, shaken hands agreement with Wilkie. Albanese plagiarizes a Hollywood script and now this.
Her statement ” what about Mr Abbott” is circumstantial evidence that she new all about the leak and realised it had gotten out of hand.
By the way, where have all the leftoids gone??
Have now read the full press conf. It was announcement about surf lifesaving and the first question was about the tent embassy. Who was the journo and what is her relationship to Hodges?
This was a fit up from the start. It has backfired badly. The PM would not want to be anywhere near this.
I believe Ms Gillard when she says she knows nothing.
It is very embarrassing to be a leftoid at the moment.
julie was born in wales abbott was born in england , two leaders from the main political party both deciding whats best for this country , think it;s time we put them both on a leaky boat and send them back.or maybe just process them off shore somewhere in harms way.
Yes, it’s almost certainly more or less embarrassing than observing Abbott set-up to rest on his laurels, preambling about the liberal successes of pair-matched 1999 Referenda, harkening back to Brendan Nelson‘s seconded contributions to historic apologies, moving on to extemporise about the (ir)relevance of sundry embassy pitchers, given a lot *shakes head* has changed since then, I guess.
META thats why i don’t vote if you vote you’ll only encourage them last time i voted was when bob hawk was prime minister.
Michael Anderson was a radical in his day, founding father of the tent embassy, talking from the Alice he said the present indigenous leaders are ‘jackie jackies’. He then went on to suggest the mob has been infiltrated by agents provocateurs.
ie White Trots.
All I pretend to know is that Colony of New South Wales Day was going swimmingly at Bennelong Point, then shit happened elsewhere. And, apparently, the forgotten people of Menzies House now begrudge others even benefit of a tent.
Yes and children were flying kites in Iraq before the evil imperialist West sent in the troops.
Define “swimmingly”.
I thought all the Aboriginal people wanted was an apology and we could all move on together. Guess that wasn’t true after all.
It is amazing how differently the media behaves when it is an ALP govt.
Imagine if someone from John Howards office told lies about an Opposition leader which incited racial hatred. Howard would have been asked to resign already.
Fair comment Nils. there would have been uproar.
Abbott really said nothing that was “inciting” … the “tent ambassadors” went over the top … the PM was genuinely alarmed and surprised …
… there was no ALP conspiracy … Abbott is now trying to make political mileage out of a stupid staffer mistake …
… and the bunch of screeching, old, washer-women in the posts above, are speculating and creating conspiracy theories more bizarre than some of the fictional political/spy movies I watched over the years …
… Hodges has resigned (before he got the boot one would expect) … and the PM’s shoe has been returned … (shoe shop doing extremely well I read …)
The show really is over … dumb staffer … dumb tent ambassadors … dumb Brabara Shaw (isn’t inciting a riot a Federal offence?) … and if Tony Abbott and his followers keep prattling he’ll sound dumb too …
I notice, tony c, seems to have improved his grammar over night … amazing …
Look you may well be right, TB, and perhaps I was feeling the effects of little sleep and a couple of blizzardly cold Coronas last evening, but I maintain that the original question asked of Abbott was an odd one in the context of the Press Conference he was giving.
Now maybe the fact that Abbott was to travel down to Canberra straight after answering THAT question in Sydney to be at a function not 200m from the Tent Embassy where it would be misreported that Abbott had called for the Embassy to be torn down was a complete coincidence. When I see coincidences, sometimes I look for alternative explanations.
Time will tell I guess.
whats so amazing about my grammer TB is it so hard to believe that you just can’t wrap your mind around this fact
There are two people involved
http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-figure-kim-sattler-named-as-gobetween-in-protest-20120128-1qmre.html
“Sources at the Aboriginal tent embassy say the mystery intermediary between Julia Gillard’s office and the protesting mob on Australia Day was Kim Sattler ………………………………..She said I should let people know Tony Abbott is over there, so I did,” Ms Shaw said.”
This is in keeping with standard ALP tactics and their supporters. The ALP likes to demonise people since they believe they are morally superior to anyone else.
But, but, but…the media should be reporting that-
• Abbott made an insensitive remark, not that the PMs office tried a low grade MANIPULATIVE trick.
• Albo made a nice speech, not that he knocked it off from a light Hollywood romantic comedy.
• Fair Work Australia has leaked, that should be investigated, not that they’ve found evidence of (criminal?) behaviour by Thomson.
con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy
OK, so we now have information that it was an ALP conspiracy. How large is the next question?
Then we could include the white trots and bring up Julia’s Fabian past.
Pure Hollywood.
“Abbott is now trying to make political mileage out of a stupid staffer mistake … ”
Can’t believe you said that. It was the PM’s office that started all this. Trying to inflame racial intentions for political advantage. I would like the details of Hodges phone call. It is public property .
And where is Abbott trying to play politics about this?? he just wants some answers.
But oh no. The great TB says nothing to see here. Storm in a tea cup. Lets move on.
I wonder what you would be saying if it was Howards office inflaming racial tensions?? Actually I don’t need to wonder. I know what you would say.
The stupid staffer was trying to play a stupid, manipulative game. How common is this behaviour in the PMs office?
This time it backfired, and he got caught. He’s now lost his job and the Prime Minister will come under more (legitimate) pressure to justify the inadequate leadership and duplicitous culture of her own office.
Michael Anderson, the first ambassador at the tent embassy, appears as a voice of moderation and good sense.
He runs a station in north west NSW, does dot paintings, lectures at universities and is interested in ‘song lines’ from the Dreamtime. I might follow this up, it may be similar to UK Ley Lines.
If Anderson runs for the senate, I’ll consider giving him my vote.
“How common is this behaviour in the PMs office?”
Well Gillard leaked when Abbott was going to Afghanistan didn’t she?? Abbott was furious as his life was put in danger.
I would say it is common and well planed except this time they were caught.
Here is Sattler commenting on Facebook
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/pm-staffer-forced-to-quit-over-leak/story-fn7x8me2-1226255738200
“Ms Sattler, who was present at Thursday’s protest at the Canberra tent embassy, is yet to speak about her part in Thursday’s ugly scenes. But on her Facebook page this morning she berated Mr Abbott for his role in the fracas.
“Tony Abbott is like your typical bar-room brawler who starts a fight and then disappears like a coward when it is in full swing,” she wrote.”
Sattler inflamed racial tensions so she could call Abbott a coward. Except it didn’t go as planned.
Kim seems nice……
“Abbott is now trying to make political mileage out of a stupid staffer mistake … “
True, but only after it was revealed that it was one of Gillard’s PR guys that was behind the riots..
And besides, wouldn’t Gillard do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot (pardon the pun).
The reality is that one of Gillard’s PR people deliberately went about arranging a stitch up job on Tony Abbott and it failed. Not only did it fail, but it completely ruined the National Emergency Awards ceremony that Gillard was attending and set Aboriginal reconciliation back ten years.
To call it a “mistake” is quite an understatement.
It is hilarious to read elsewhere that they’re still trying to convince themselves that somehow Abbott must somehow have been involved. First they declared that the idea that a Labor staffer was behind inciting the riots was just some hate media “beat up” and now it’s all Tony Abbott’s fault… Priceles!
Quite an interesting video clip of the PM over at SMH…
http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-figure-kim-sattler-named-as-gobetween-in-protest-20120128-1qmre.html
Miglo’s already explaining away the entire ordeal with the Craig Thomson defence..
“Kim Sattler said where Abbott was. Big deal. It’s nothing.”
and this…
“Never in my life have I seen so much crap written in such a few short days over a mole hill like I’ve seen over the few just passed.”
Well it is his blog. Maybe he should try reading some other sources..
But to attempt to suggest that what occurred on Australia Day was just a mole hill is remarkable, it made front page news around the world!
Fascinating parallel universe stuff..
Yeah and Gillard promised, shook hands and put her signature on a deal she did with Wilkie.
Anyone who believes anything Gillard says is insane.
➢ First it’s Abbott’s fault for saying it’s time to move on*
➢ Then it’s speculation, that the whipped up emotion came from the office of the Prime Minister.
➢ Then it’s Abbott’s fault for saying that Gillard should fully explain her knowledge.
➢ Then it’s then media’s fault for reporting the facts.
➢ Then it’s Abbott’s fault for making some political points about the attempt to politically fit him up.
Do those barrackers realise exactly how stupid their blinked comments are?
And I’d be entirely willing to explain this to them, but I’m BANNED!
Fortunately though, they all read our comments here.
*And I’ve already criticised his comments.
“Fortunately though, they all read our comments here.”
I have not posted there for a long time. I was given a very bad threat. It actually made me quite scared.
I made one comment a few days latter and have not been back since.
Neil, the fact is that they distain alternative views.
What annoys me is that I do not know what I said to be threatened in such a vial manner. i went back and looked at my posts on the topic and could find nothing that was abusive.
But I received a threat. And then i was warned by another poster to take it seriously. I made one more comment some time latter and have not been back since.
Sock Pupprt Alert
“Sock Pupprt Alert”
I hope you are not talking about me??
Stealing someone else’s identity is theft.
“Stealing someone else’s identity is theft”
I agree with that.
What is your point??
I have always posted here and on the other site as Neil of Sydney.
OMG, Neil you were threatened. I should imagine that given the seriousness of the matter that you will be taking out an AVO first thing Monday, or are you just shitting in the wind.
Get over it darl’. It was a one of event. Sitch up job, or calling the retard for what he is, a racist prick.
El Gordo
Are you talking to me??
Barlie
Are you new here???
“Get over it darl’. It was a one of event”
LOL!
Looks like Min’s sending in the reinforcements…
The Gillard cheer squad don’t relly cope very well under duress do they.
Yes, new here. I caught this blog from a link Australians for an Honest Media on facebook. It’s run by someone called Michael Taylor. Good group, they call the media to account. And so I landed here.
Now why would you suggest sock puppetry EG?
Great work Barlie. But do you think Gillard is honest?
Julia Gillard is neither honest nor honourable. Only willfully blind barrackers would say otherwise.
Tom of Melbourne, no not entirely but then Gillard is probably more honest than most yet less honest than some.
On the current issue, Abbott did one of his usual brain farts and now the Bolt-esque types will run around in circles trying to place the blame on Gillard.
Barlie blames Abbott. Text-book Barracker-denial.
(Sock-puppets thrive here because of reb’s pro-free speech, open-door policy)
“On the current issue, Abbott did one of his usual brain farts and now the Bolt-esque types will run around in circles trying to place the blame on Gillard.”
So it is all Abbotts fault??
Australians are stupid since they voted for Rudd in 2007.
But they are not that stupid.
Every time you blame Abbott increases his vote.
And I think El Gordo called me a sock puppet. If he did I am very offended. It would be hard to imitate my writing style. It would be picked up very quickly if I was posting under another name.
El Gordo put up or shut up.
“retard”, Barlie? If that is intended as an insult I’d be interested in your reasons for despising those born with various challenges.
Neil it might be an error as there is a Neil of queensland as you know who Gordo would have had a lot more to do with. Certainly Gordo can answer for himself but it’s not really his bag to be throwing around base provocations like that. He’s either not referring to you or it’s an honest mistake. Don’t dwell on it. Better to, er, “move on”.
Well James I find it very offensive.
I do not think Neil of Queensland has ever posted at the “other site”
El Gordo should be careful before he makes false allegations.
James got it right, it was an honest mistake.
I sensed something odd in Neil’s tone and thought I was in a guerilla war, with black ducks and lurkers stealing the identity of others, while Reb’s off surfing in lovely Tassie weather…
I’m not going to say sorry.
That’s not our Nils.
“That’s not our Nils.”
Get stuffed El Gordo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*sigh* *reaches for popcorn*
I don’t know whether today’s Neil of Sydney is ‘our Nils’, but, if he’s not, he’s definitely a student of Neil’s syntax and use of multiple punctuation.
Thank you Tony.
I’m a big fan of both el gordo and Neil of Sydney. As toiletboss would say, if he wasn’t in a three day hangover-recovery mode: You are my peeps.
“Yes, new here. I caught this blog from a link Australians for an Honest Media on facebook. It’s run by someone called Michael Taylor. Good group, they call the media to account. And so I landed here.”
Well that’s simply remarkable, given that that particular web site severed all links to this place many months ago, but being the nice guy that I am, I’m prepared to give you benefit of the doubt.
Say hi to Minglo for me… BTW, do you agree with their policy of simply banning anyone that has a different opinion to theirs?
I can verify that the person who identifies as Neil of Sydney is in fact Neil of Sydney (at least according to IP addresses on the system)…
Thank you Reb.
“brain fart” really ought to be a registered trademark of the dementia club. I recommend that members of the Gillard cheer squad apply the appropriate ® symbol when using the term here, lest they start accusing us of “plagiarism”
Here is a comment from Gillard
http://www.news.com.au/national/gillard-adviser-tony-hodges-forced-to-quit-over-tip-off-which-led-to-protest-violence/story-e6frfkvr-1226255907487
“JULIA Gillard says she is absolutely furious at Tony Abbotts insinuation that she was behind the violent protests that broke out at the Lobby restaurant in Canberra.”
Did Abbot ever say that?? i doubt it. i think we all know now that Gilard is a pathological liar.
I guess Abbott would have said someone in her office said something that incited the violence.
Someone prove me wrong.
Comedy gold!
Miglo at the cafe:
“Let’s see the right wingers come here again and have a go at us for suggesting conspiracies:
But you won’t Migs, you’ve BANNED them all as you well know!
BTW, how’s that whole martyr complex thing working out for you?
Barlie, it is quite clear that a member of Gillard’s office was trying to play very, very grubby politics.
If Gillard chooses to employ people that engage in that low grade of activity, it reflects on her, regardless of whether she know in advance.
The leader sets the culture of any organisation, and if the culture of Gillard’s office is to play games, it’s a leadership failing.
Catch up later, when I’ve had a few.
Relax everybody!
Ms Gillard is at Rod Laver Arena, witnessing who will be this year’s Australian Open women’s champion!
OI!
It’s very important
to her re-election prospectsto the ordinary folk that she be seen doing things thatnormal taxpayers can’t afford, but seem to place her above politicseveryone can relate to.‘But you won’t Migs, you’ve BANNED them all as you well know!’
Well, to be fair, I was never banned. I was excluded from the stolen blog roll from day one.
Probably because your views are too “moderate” Tony… Only died-on lefties are allowed to participate at teh cafe.
“I caught this blog from a link Australians for an Honest Media on facebook. It’s run by someone called Michael Taylor”
Thanks Min, I mean Barlie. Would you like to confirm or deny whether Michael Taylor is currently employed by the Gillard govt?
Yes, that’s me: Moderate Tony,
Well, I didn’t want to bring up rabid, facist right wing cnut Tony, just in case it upset the mood I was trying to set..
You look at places like the teahouse and the political feather duster and you begin to appreciate the blind loyalty that fostered such regimes as Hitler’s. Their hero can do no wrong. “we are at war with East Asia, we have always been at war with East Asia”.
When Miglo was (strangely) granted co-authorship of this site, and before he stole the email list to start his own website, he happened to email me, unsolicited, on a couple of occasions. He can’t deny this, because I’ve got records. Reb has never – NEVER – contacted me unless I have approached him first, which is the way it should be.
You look at places like the teahouse and the political feather duster and you begin to appreciate the blind loyalty that fostered such regimes as Hitler’
Well that’s a bit of an extreme example, but I think that once you stop any sort of critical assessment of what the incumbent government is doing (regardless of whichever political persuasion it may be) and simply engage in either blinding support of its policies and/or press releases without scrutiny, then I think we tread in very dangerous waters…
As you would know, I’m no fan of Tony Abbott’s, but I have no sense of “allegiance” to Julia Gillard that is on display at the cafe…
And while I’m at it, for someone who returned here with such name-calling bravado, it’s a bit rich for shayne chester to leave on the pretence that others were making comments that were too ‘pointed’ and ‘playing the man’. GMAFB, shayne. Get a grip, “man”.
It’s extreme, but then not so extreme. It’s a question that has vexed me pretty well my whole life. Where was the opposition before it all got so out of hand? Where were the advisers cautioning Hitler? Anyhow, I’m not here to label barrackers Nazis, I just find the lengths to which they’ll go to spin a circumstance just extraordinary.
Thank you Tony. And I think (and I hope) that this place is a forum for an open exchange of ideas unfettered with or without prejudices. Sure, I freely admit to posting topics that are like “tabloid journalism” (that’s just my sense of humour), and I don’t necessarily agree with everything I write. why do I do it? Fked if I know, but I just enjoy reading, writin’ and listenin’
I’ve got no time for peeps that simply want to stifle debate to suit their own political agendas.
I think I agree with Ol’ sancty. Godwin’s “law” does nothing to increase freedom of expression.
Wheres Barlie gone? I wanted to ask why he or she labels Abbott racist. Still waiting on an explanation about the retarded thing too.
Don’t hold your breath Snacty, “Barlie” sorry, I mean “Min “is too busy having a long distance love call dedication…
great clip, thanks Tony.
I have a few Nick Cave cds, but haven’t see him live…
Build a fkn bridge…
Treaty now! Treay Yes!
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reb finally your talking some sense with treaty theres enough hate now in this pox ridden world
Yes, it was nice of Gillard to attribute the violence of tapping on a window into her world and the violence of even-one-punch-can-kill to very professional demonstrators doing their very best under deteriorating circumstances; that face provocatively hit that fist, and nary a word more to be spoke about it, or Citizen X. Still, there’s always Abbott’s fidgeting with his glass while fretting aloud about breakage to confirm the necessity of a double-take on photogenic recomposure in the informal aftermath of an exit strategy.
Back on topic, I think the conduct of the (tax-payer funded) tent dwellers, is nothing short of disgraceful..
Same for those tax payer funded pollies and hangers on who were inside the other place
It’s not very often ordinary people can even get close enough to the taxpayer protected species to let them know they are unhappy.
Agree entirely with
Tom of Melbourne
January 26, 2012 9:27 pm
Abbott is an idiot for even suggesting that there is equality for Aboriginals (when all measures of disadvantage and socio- economic status would show the opposite) and that Aboriginal people are respected by all Australians, that is patently untrue and he would know it. He was once more whistling to the racists and snobs that the Coalition cultivates.
And where is Abbott trying to play politics about this?? he just wants some answers.
BS neil, as if Abbott is ever not playing politics, he uses every bipartisan event to make partisan political statements and attacks, he is a tosser and an embarrassment as a statesman for the nation.
And i also agree with TB, I think it is a storm in a teacup, the precious pollies got a fright at having to be face to face with some angry and defiant people. They are not used to such open democracy these days, they are usually sheltered and protected from it.The riot police would have loved their little drama where they get to act out a scenario that they practice drill each week. The PM’s look of “terror” was simply that of any woman or man caught on camera who had lost their shoe and their balance and was going to fall over. I think I would be looking much the same in the same circumstances and it would have had nothing to do with the protesters.
What a beat-up about nothing!
“ugly and divisive” were the words used by Kittylitter when more conservative types displayed a few signs at a rally I March 2011. Now it’s just “democracy” when those of questionable aboriginality(that’s from Miglo and various Aboriginal leaders, I dare make no such judgement myself) bash on windows and cars as manipulated to do by Labor staffers and allies.
Oh and it’s Abbott’s fault…..the racist!
Have just read this very lively blog re Abbott… I finally got to see the original Abbott interview
the apparently started this whole stupid episode …. Even from my anti-Abbott viewpoint I have to say that certain people are getting to clever by half to suggest that Abbott said the Tent Embassy should be pulled down. All bullsht as far as I am concerned.
Keep up the good work Reb
Apology to Neil of Sydney, obviously I had you confused with Neil of Qld who has a different tone.
Thanks to the blogmaster for clearing up the misunderstanding.
I think the latest kerfuffle shows how the ALP operates.
They try and demonise their opponents. However i think this time it will backfire badly. The Aboriginals will know they have been used by the ALP to attack Abbott.
It shows how low in the gutter Gillard is willing to go. I cannot understand why the ALP and the media are always attacking Conservative politicians.
“ugly and divisive” were the words used by Kittylitter when more conservative types displayed a few signs at a rally I March 2011.
And again, the same people were being pandered to by Abbott with his statement. While I certainly do not think that Abbott words were an incitement to riot or have the tent embassy demolished, he made sure his words had meaning for the racists and snobs. Aboriginals would not have been comforted that his statement was in any way support for their fight for equality. Abbott basically said that everything was OK for them now, there is no disadvantage any more, time to move on!
If I was an indigenous Australian I would have turned my back on him and if I was there at the scene I would have bashed at the glass and let him know how I felt about his crapola too.
Doesn’t take much for “the left” to riot does it?? This is what Abbott said when he was in Sydney.
“Look. I can understand why the tent embassy was established all those years ago. I think a lot has changed for the better since then. We had the historic apology … one of the genuine achievements of Kevin Rudd as prime minister … I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian and yes, I think a lot has changed since then and I think it probably is time to move on from that.”
Next thing we know we have an angry mob. Must be the first time in our nations history where the PM’s office has inflamed a racial conflict and caused a riot. And people condemn Abbott but not Gillard whose office members were racing around inflaming hatred and telling lies. Gillard is a disgrace. Hodges was just behaving like the person he used to work for.
Yabbott’s words should have meaning, that’s what we are paying him for.
certain people are getting to clever by half to suggest that Abbott said the Tent Embassy should be pulled down.
Yes they are, aren’t they.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/time-for-tent-embassy-to-fold-says-tony-abbott/story-e6frfku0-1226254319517#ixzz1knApIygM
Tom R quotes an early (1:35PM, January 26th),incorrect AAP report, which everybody now knows was incorrect. Why?
I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian…
I’m sure they see this ‘respect’ in action every single day of their lives. Australians have a funny way of showing respect it seems, by marginalising, demonising and verbalising angry hansonite type envy of any policy brought in to address Aboriginal discrimination and disadvantage.
I think a lot has changed since then and I think it probably is time to move on from that.”
Obviously a lot of Aboriginal people don’t think so and they are the ones living the reality. “Move on”, what a charming way to negate, demean and belittle the efforts of Aboriginal activists to improve the lives of their people.
Yabbott’s words should have meaning, that’s what we are paying him for.
Well we are not getting value for money. How much would that little fiasco have cost the taxpayer? And a stupid inquiry into stupidity in action?
He needs to remember there are taxpayers who don’t vote for him. Taxpayers who expect an alternative PM to speak at bipartisan publicly funded events on behalf of all Australians, not divide the nation with lies disguised as statement.
Why?
Because this just might be where the people at the demonstration got the idea that the Embassy was about to be pulled Tony. In light of the fact that elements of the same paper are now trying to give the impression that the PM’s media advisor was ‘making shit up’
Serves them right for taking ltdnews at face value I guess
The fact that Ms Gillard’s media advisor was sacked means he did something that was a sacking offence. Join the dots.
I cannot believe ALP supporters blame Abbott when we have people from the PM’s office running around telling lies and causing danger to the lives of people.
One thing that Gillard hasn’t denied was that Hodges told people Abbotts location. Why would he let is be known where Abbott was if Hodges did not think trouble would happen. Gillard let people know when Abbott was going to Afghanistan so she has form on revealing the location of the Opposition leader.
The LEFT hate Abbott so much they would do anything to smear him. This time it backfired.
He allowed ltdnews to turn this against the Government, probably simply by doing his job.
A media advisor who allows that to happen is not much of a media advisor.
And, even more bizarrely, he did that by, it appears, taking the media at face value.
A harsh lesson, but one he should have known. Perhaps. Who can fathom the depths of the current media landscape? Except perhaps those creating it.
people from the PM’s office running around telling lies
repeating news reports
Fixed it for ya
His offence might have been that he got caught doing his job. His sacking was probably damage control, because the public got a glimpse inside the PM’s office, and were appalled at what they saw.
A couple of points from early on:
1. How many “hundreds” of aboriginal demonstrators were there, reb?
2. Warren Mundine is regularly described as an aboriginal leader. Who does he actually represent and in what does he lead? The very small number of aboriginal people I know make it quite clear that he seems to operate in some sort of unelected capacity and does not speak for them.
Kittylitter, Abbott was speaking at a press conference in Sydney about surf lifesaving, not at the function in Canberra. I suggest before commenting further, both you and TomR should go to a more independent source for your facts because you are both clearly arguing on assumptions already proven false.
This isn’t really an ALP vs Liberal issue. It’s a grubby/unethical vs insensitive/stupid.
The PM is again shown to lead a grubby, duplicitious organisation. On this occasion the stench has reached her own personal staff.
Leaders create the culture of their organisation. It is clear that in the PMs office, nothing is beyond manipulation for political gain. She is a disgrace.
more independent source for your facts
I thought ltdnews WAS independent?
A quick look at Mundine’s bio reveals he’s from northern NSW and is fairly active in aboriginal affairs.
Mundine has also picked up uni degrees and medals for community service, he doesn’t speak for anyone but himself…. free expression in a democracy.
Duck is spoiling for sumthin.
They try and demonise their opponents. However i think this time it will backfire badly. The Aboriginals will know they have been used by the ALP to attack Abbott.
Do you lot (remember there is more than one Neil of Sudney – so you were probably right , egg …) at the Young Liberals actually know what demonising is? “Cause from the stupid statement and reading you other “inciting” posts a bove you don’t understand that you are doing exactly what you are blaming others for!
Both the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader were threatened!
I agree entirely with … This isn’t really an ALP vs Liberal issue. It’s a grubby/unethical vs insensitive/stupid.
… and then ToM fks it up with … The PM is again shown to lead a grubby, duplicitious organisation. On this occasion the stench has reached her own personal staff.
What a bunch of two faced dicks you really are … it was a series of events that in themselves were quite innocent … rabble rousers at the tent embassy took things way too far … and everyone has egg on their faces except the “tent ambassadors” …
I repeat …
Abbott’s comment was quite innocent and would under normal circumstances would probably never have been aired …
The Prime Minister was genuinely afraid and obviously did not know why the rabble was outside …
The police and security handled the situation well …
Tony Hodges resigned for doing his job … and fell on his sword before getting fired …
No apology or recognition of stupidy or wrong doing from the “tent ambassadors” to my knowledge makes the Aboriginal Cause look a bit “lop – sided” … that Jones fella will be interesting to listen to tomorra …
Is wood duck, tony costelloe or Miggsy or
whatwho?… and who the fk is Kevin?
“Tony Hodges resigned for doing his job”
His job?? So Hodges job is to tell people the location of Tony Abbott.
The behaviour tells us a lot about what Gillard is like. It is hard to believe that he would not be acting without Gillards approval.
Not bad, TomR. Hodges managed to achieve all this by about 2pm based on a news report being posted online at 1.35pm? Shit he’s good. Someone hire him!!
The Prime Minister was genuinely afraid and obviously did not know why the rabble was outside …
Do we know that, has she said so?
I thought the photo was taken just as she lost her shoe and feared tripping over, she was then bundled up by the security guy who saw her predicament, supported and protected her to keep her dignity intact (and hurry her into the car).
Abbott’s comment was quite innocent and would under normal circumstances would probably never have been aired …
I don’t know why we have to hear from him at every public event anyway, it’s enough that the PM speaks. Does media “balance” really require it?
Tony Abbott is newsworthy and the media like to hear him speak…. and swim, put on funny hats and appear on every possible occasion.
Opposition leaders are people too.
KITTYLITTER, FFS ABBOTT WAS SPEAKING AT A LIFESAVING EVENT IN SYDNEY WHEN HE WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
Sorry to yell but for deity’s sake, read what bloody happened before making bloody judgements, especially those attributing fault.
Kittylitter, Abbott was speaking at a press conference in Sydney about surf lifesaving, not at the function in Canberra.
But he still managed to make a few divisive comments about Aboriginals on Australia Day? In this day and age of instant technology, twitter etc, he can’t assume that his words won’t be immediately sent flying over the innernetwebbyverse.
KITTYLITTER, FFS ABBOTT WAS SPEAKING AT A LIFESAVING EVENT IN SYDNEY WHEN HE WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
All the more reason for him not to be aired at all!
He ought to know the repercussions at his level, was he being deliberately provocative?
“I don’t know why we have to hear from him at every public event anyway”
Abbott was in Sydney standing in front of the Opera House when he made his statements.
This looks like a set up from beginning to end but this time Gillard was caught out.
If people from Gillards office did not run around telling lies, twisting Abbotts words, inflaming racial hatred and revealing the location of the Opposition leader this would have not been an issue. Most people agree with what Abbot said including Aboriginals.
I guess by revealing his location Gillard was hoping to paint Abbott as a racist and hoping for a demonstration. Well she got one.
However it has blown up in her face.
Hodges obviously thought his behaviour was appropriate when he acted.
Only the consequences and images cruelled it.
How much similar duplicity has occurred?
Abbott is stupid, his comments demonstrate a lack of insight, but he didn’t set out to manipulate. That’s what the PMs office did.
Hodges managed to achieve all this by about 2pm based on a news report being posted online at 1.35pm?
Yea, imagine that, texting someone in only 25minutes
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/01/27/morgan-52-48-to-coalition-face-to-face/all-comments/#comment-1138184
Hodges biggest crime, highlighting where tabot was. Messy looking, which could be why he lost his job, but knowledge that was already in the public domain (tabot had apparently already skyped his movements)
His other crime, believing what he read in the media. The bloody fool!
His job?? So Hodges job is to tell people the location of Tony Abbott.
You sound so shrill today, Neil(s), have drink …
http://images.smh.com.au/2009/09/03/711946/202924216-420×0.jpg
Or have you had a few too many already today? Got a bit excited? Or are we dealing with a Neilette …?
BTW, I agree that you all have a distinctive style of demonising the present government and admirably following the Young Libs “strategy of the day”
… but every once in a while, one or two of you have let the side down (got a bit free speechy rather than reading the script) … you’ll know which ones … ’cause I’m fkd if I do!
That’s what the PMs office did.
Prove your accusation … instead of tagging off the, Neil(s) of Sydney …
“Yea, imagine that, texting someone in only 25minutes”
So at 1.35PM Hodges read the media report the instant it was published??
This looks like a set up from beginning to end.
So at 1.35PM Hodges read the media report the instant it was published??
Ever heard of twitter?
It’s not a good look. That is all.
Now read some of the posts above – not a lot of “original” thought from right wing posts …
Attempting to “plan” something like this would be virtually impossible … and who knew what Tony Abbott was going to say? He dosn’t even know himself until its said and then he immediately forgets he’s said it … and it was the RePORTER who asked Tony Abbott bthe question it was not in a “speech” by Tony Abbott … maybe the reporter was part of the conspiracy?
A series of events that transpired because the Aboriginal Tent Embassy and supporters got silly …
The biggest global financial recession (depression?) in our personal history looms and all people can talk about is this lot of silliness …
You humans …
Prove what TB? We can already see that the office of our PM has people who consider duplicitious malipulation part of their job.
On this occasion it backfired. Friendly fire, self inflicted wound, own goal, shot foot.
Is this typical behaviour? No doubt about that.
duplicitious malipulation
Or just reading the news
It’s not a good look. That is all.
What isn’t … rioting protesters from a supposedly passive group of protestors from the Aboriginal Tent Embassy? … Tony Hodges resigning? … a frightened PM? … a politicising Opposition Leader? … the media whipping up a frenzy? … or certain posters here trying to make something out of nothing? … or sock puppets? or all of the above?
In PNG they would say, “sumting, nuttting”
@TBqueensland @ 422pm.
I am not from another site, I used to post here occasionally, but have given politics a bit of a rest for a while. The constant stream of rot from the msm just got me down. Don’t get me wrong, I support the views of most people on this site and and have a dislike of the Rights ideas and agenda, but in this case I think the rabbitt was misquoted. No offence was intended, I was just stating my opinion.
I sense Murdoch(!) involvement.
TB TONY.C IS BLACKDUCK NOT WOOD DUCK . MY FAMILY FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR 1 AND 2 , KOREA ,VIETNAM, I GOT RELATIONS IN THE ARMED FORCES NOW . I PAY TAX AND MY RELATIONS PAY TAX .THAT TENT EMBASSY GOT EVERY RIGHT TO BE WHERE IT IS . YES TB THERE WERE OVER 100 ABORIGINALS IN VIETNAM. CANNON FODER FOR A WAR THAT WAS UNDER A LIE GULF OF TUS FALSE FLAGGING.
Prove what TB? We can already see that the office of our PM has people who consider duplicitious malipulation part of their job.
On this occasion it backfired. Friendly fire, self inflicted wound, own goal, shot foot.
Is this typical behaviour? No doubt about that.
Therefore prove the “duplicitious malipulation” … your arrogant ego, let’s you believe that whatever you “think” it must be so … one of the traits throughout your posts is that assumption is fact … something that script writers constantly use in films to demonstrate the weakness of “guessing” over gathering and analysing facts … the last sentence above is a classic demonstration of your “style” …
You know no more than anyone here (as do I) … but you choose along with others to fictionalise what you would want it to be …
The sort of thing that the Neil(s) do and young children … life ain’t as simple as you would obviously like it to be …
… and I remind you of a certain Godwin Gretch …
Where is Mr Turnbull I wonder?
“Or just reading the news”
LOL
I think you’ll find that Ministerial advisers particularly those involved in a professional public relations capacity, are required to verify facts rather than just what they read or see “in the news”.
It’s eminently clear that Hodges (and others) were involved in a stitch up job intended to:
1. Deliberately misrepresent what Abbott actually said.
2. Make sure that the tent embassy protesters were given the incorrect impression that Abbott wanted the tent embassy bulldozed.
3. Fire up the protesters into action.
4. Create a dramatic scene by directing the protesters to take their concerns directly with Tony Abbott who’s “standing over there.”
The protesters were used and lied to.
The culprits appear to be the former Labor adviser, Hodges and potentially some union official Kim Sattler.
But somehow Abbott and the media are to blame..? Puleaze…
What Abbott ACTUALLY said was pretty innocuous.
Really TB? The fact is that the behaviour in politicising a bipartisan ceremony by misrepresenting Abbott’s comments is as I’ve described.
I’ve no idea why you’re so bothered about facts.
Tis true…
Wood Duck and Black Duck are not the same person…
Although I concede it is getting a bit confusing….
It’s eminently clear that Hodges (and others) were involved in a stitch up job
Why is it “eminently clear?” As I asked ToM, there is no evidence … only some wishful thinking that may or may not be true …
If it had been “planned” then I would expect that Hodges would still be in a job and the government would be “defending” his actions … that is not happening …
… and I agree … Tony Abbott’s reply was a “blip” … the Tent Embassy’s reaction was an atom bomb, by comparison …
I’ve no idea why you’re so bothered about facts.
I rest my case … don’t ever become a lawyer! Although an active imagination may be a pre-requisite …
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I actually knew that, sreb, I should have added a *sarcasm alert … I forget when dealing with non-regular posters … I haven’t heard such shouting here for a long time (if ever) … I shall refrain from a repy …
(*a time honoured method at GT to alert the recipient that a comment is an attempt at sarcastic humour … dare I say that most regulars use the “technique” without warning to each other these days)
This seems to be fairly simple: ALP and union operatives tried to score points off Abbott and but their little scheme got out of hand. Abbott is the only one coming out of this looking halfway decent (which is a major achievement for him).
The funny part comes now when we get to watch the true believers and the ALP’s chorus line of cock-suckers in the media spinning their droopy little bottoms into overdrive, splattering us all with stories of Abbott’s iniquity.
All you can do is laugh, really. And pray that you do not become so incorrigibly invested in a cause that you lose all sense of truth, decency and self-respect.
I think you’ll find that Ministerial advisers particularly those involved in a professional public relations capacity, are required to verify facts rather than just what they read or see “in the news”.
Yes, so he is no longer employed.
Mind you, aren’t journalists supposed to report accurately to begin with?
Why are heads not rolling there? No, they are instead trying to say that Hodges made this up, even though they had written what he had apparently ‘made up’ before he ‘made it up’
And you wonder why I scoff at our media?
All you can do is laugh, really. And pray that you do not become so incorrigibly invested in a cause that you lose all sense of truth, decency and self-respect.
I agree with your last comment, sb, I’ll pop it up the next time Abbott makes a Fuckwit™ of himself … works both ways …
… I don’t consider myself to be a “barracker” or rusted on (got cleaned up during Rudd’s first 12 months) … if any side of politics makes a fool of themselves I’ll be the first to give them a hard time … but guessing only gets egg on your face …
… still no evidence only speculation …
… the same technique used by organised religions … I tell you it is therefore it must be so …
‘And you wonder why I scoff at our media?’
Because you think they victimise Labor?
“What isn’t ?”
All of it, TB. It’s all a bad look for everyone involved.
As big a knob as Abbott is, his actual comments were definitely overplayed & the most obvious motive appears to be political opportunism.
I imagine all involved wish they could erase the incident from the historical record.
TB: “I agree with your last comment, sb, I’ll pop it up the next time Abbott makes a Fuckwit™ of himself … works both ways “
Please do. I am not invested in Abbott. I usually give pollies the benefit of the doubt in opposition and then become more critical when they have power. I started this with Whitlam. The exception was John Howard who was on record as a racist before he was elected. Interestingly Hawke, and to a lesser extent Keating are the only ones who have delivered in office.
“the media whipping up a frenzy?”
It was not the media who revealed Abbotts location. It was the PM’s office.
“a politicising Opposition Leader?”
Telling lies again TB?? Show me where Abbott has politicised this.
Telling lies again TB?? Show me where Abbott has politicised this.
I’m not sure that you understand what politicising actually means, Neil(s)
Here ya go …
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/politicize?q=politicise
I expect an apology, sunshine! I don’t LIE!
TB, Hodges phoned a friend,
put his tainted slantreported on Abbott’s ill-informed comment, andadvised, recommendedsuggested that the protesters pay Abbott a visit on this basis.You’ve said many times in the past that the culture of an organisation is a direct result of the leadership. If a member of the PMs office considered this an appropriate act, after years of service, it reflects on the culture of the office and the leadership.
They’re the facts that seem to bother you!
Interestingly Hawke, and to a lesser extent Keating are the only ones who have delivered in office.
I agree with that too, sp, but I believe PJK was actually the instigator of change – while Hawke was a brilliant deliverer of news – great team …
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Kevin, I Have replied earlier that my post was meant to be “humorous” (I do remember you from many months ago!)
but in this case I think the rabbitt was misquoted. No offence was intended, I was just stating my opinion.
If you read all my posts on the subject I agree Abbott’s comment was naive but not inflammatory in the scheme of things (certainly not to the extent of disrupting a medal ceremony – I did watch his interview before I posted my opinion …
“I’m not sure that you understand what politicising actually means, Neil”
You cannot be serious. Abbotts life was potentially put in danger and calling for an investigation is politicising an event??
You do indeed lie.
This has happened before when Gillard released the details of his trip to Afghanistan potentially putting his life at risk.
Calling for an investigation should be mandatory
You said the media was whipping up a frenzy. It was Gillards office that revealed his location. Obviously Gillards office wanted to whip up a protest which they successfully did.
You’ve said many times in the past that the culture of an organisation is a direct result of the leadership
Absolutely! And the fact that Hodges no longer works in the PM’s office tells me that she will not tolerate such bungling, very quickly actioned – that reflects good leadership …
Using the same principle – I see no such leadership from the Tent Embassy … totally inappropriate behaviour, no apology to the Prime Minister, the Opposition Leader the medal recipients or the restaurateur …
No such leadership from Tony Abbott … just a “burn baby, burn” mentality!
You do indeed lie.
Don’t push your fucking luck!
You said the media was whipping up a frenzy
My only mention of the media was that the question was asked by the interviewer … you fucking little moron!
POPCORN!
“you fucking little moron”
It was Gillards office running around telling everyone where Abbott was trying to get people to go over to Abbott. What do you think Gillards office was trying to organise??
I expect an apology, Neil!
So, on the same basis of “proof” required TB, please provide the “proof” that Hodges lost his job because of his actions, and not simply because he got caught out (on this occasion)
(back later)
“I expect an apology, Neil!”
What for?? Saying that Abbott was trying to politicise what happened is indeed a lie. His life was potentially put in danger by the PM’s office revealing his location.
I would be furious if it was me and I would be asking for an inquiry. And Gillard has done this before with his Afghanistan trip.
Get stuffed.
“What isn’t ?”
All of it, TB. It’s all a bad look for everyone involved.
As big a knob as Abbott is, his actual comments were definitely overplayed & the most obvious motive appears to be political opportunism.
I imagine all involved wish they could erase the incident from the historical record.
I don’t have a problem with the whole inciden,t it was people protesting to their (usually unreachable and unaccountable) government, no big deal IMO. It was hardly a national security
concern. It is way past time that these pollies faced the consequences of their race baiting, they should be confronted by the anger that real people feel when they strut out and arrogantly make knowingly offensive and/or divisive remarks (talking generally here and thinking cory bernardi & co). They are sheltered and protected from the reality of life for other people as they grab their taxpayer funded perks and never have to answer, up close and personal, to the real people that they may have upset.
agree toiletboss, none of them come out of it well.
-reporter getting abbott’s comments was hoping for something inflammatory or stupid for the daily news, he never disappoints them.
- abbott’s comment was blatant political opportunism as tomM says (he never misses a partisan comment whether it is appropriate to do so, or not).
-enter gillard adviser who let protesters know abbott’s whereabouts because he knew they were fired up about what he said, knew abbott was ‘dog whistling’ to the faithful.
-media misrepresent the photo as a ‘terrified’ julia gillard under attack.
-aboriginal activists have their say, defend themselves and their position (they were the ones who publicly blamed abbott)
-other aboriginal commentators have their say, feel pressure to denounce any violence (because apparently in this country any kind of protest against the ruling corporocracy by the plebs is seen as a violent uprising)
- gillard advisor falls on sword for directing traffic to abbott because labor won’t tolerate any hint of inappropriate political behaviour (double standard for the opposition who regularly tolerate, accept and plan all kinds of inappropriate political behaviour)
-abbott in another display of naked opportunism calls for an inquiry.
-more media beat up +++
All pretty stupid really, doesn’t it make you feel depressed about the state of politics and the media in this country?
Just a reminder …
Fair’s fair. I think TB implying Neil is a Young Liberals plant, and is actually a group of people taking turns at commenting on this blog, cancels out Neil calling TB a liar. No apologies needed, in my opinion.
This is The Gutter, after all.
… and Neil of Sydney … the apology I expect is for calling me a liar … something that no- one has ever done on this blog … and I would hope has never had reason to …
… I have made misinformed comments and apologised … but never lied – that is deliberate misinformation … I expect an apology … (although judging from your comments and your political allegiance – that won’t be soon) …
You said Abbott was politicising the event. That is a lie.
He is calling for an investigation as he should.
You have also told lies about me when you say there are two of me. There is only one Neil of Sydney.
Stop telling lies about Abbott (and me).
Maybe what we need is our own “sorry day..”
***flippant humour attempt alert***
What for?? Saying that Abbott was trying to politicise what happened is indeed a lie. His life was potentially put in danger by the PM’s office revealing his location.
oh puleaze, killed by a hostile glare through a glass window?
But some were carrying spears!!
It is no lie to claim that Abbott has smelt the political breeze & sought to politicise the event after the fact.
Generally speaking he tries to politicise events every time he opens his calculating mouth; they all do, it’s their job, they’re politicians .
One had war paint!
Neil … you are the classic Fuckwit™! Go to your room and play with yourself …
You have also told lies about me when you say there are two of me
So … which Neil, complimented the other, Neil on a (what one, Neil, obviously thought was clever post by the other Neil) on one of your posts a few months back …?
Actually I reckon there’s a whole branch of the Young Liberals that post as Neil of Sydney!
Stop telling lies about Abbott (and me). That comment is why people treat you as childish, Neil(s) … strange that you should put “Abbott” before yourself?
And once again I don’t make things up about Tony Abbott … but you make things up about Australia’s Prime Minister ..
Just how old are you should you be playing with older people?
I think I once posted that it fascinates me how cheats accuse others, and thieves accuse others, and liars accuse others …
“shit happens”
One had war paint! … and a boomerang shoe!
He would have worn his snazzy bomb-suit from Afghanistan if he’d known of the terrifying, life threatening danger he was in before hand.
Actually, I’m a bit surprised macho-Abbott resisted the urge to come outside and
confronthear the grievances of the protesters. He must have some political nous, or his advisors do.“It is no lie to claim that Abbott has smelt the political breeze & sought to politicise the event after the fact.”
It is if he has not sought to politicise the event. So far he has asked for an investigation.
You have got people from the PM’s office running around telling everyone where Abbott is. Why do you think Hodges did this?? Do you think that Hodges wanted the people at the tent embassy to give Abbott a birthday cake???
Please. There should be an investigation. Abbott has yet to politicise the event.
if he’d known of the terrifying, life threatening danger he was in…
self instigated, it is every time he opens his mouth!
Please. There should be an investigation. Abbott has yet to politicise the event.
liar liar, pants on fire!
Read the press conference transcript, Kittylitter.
Read the press conference transcript, Kittylitter.
Which one, James?
Links help! There is more than one …
Sorry I haven’t learned how to link with the iPhone. It’s on tonyabbott.com.au. He was giving a press conference in Sydney about money for surf lifesaving . You know. A positive policy of the kind he’s accused daily of not having. He was asked (first question) about the relevance of the tent embassy. He gave a measured and reasonable answer. That answer was twisted deliberately to create an embarrassing confrontation in Canberra.
It is the randomness of the original question that has me thinking it was a fit up from the outset. You might call it the deliberate creation of confected outrage.
Abbott is milking the political cow for all it’s worth today, or don’t you & snacty watch the evening news, Neil?
Now Abbott’s doing his own dance of confected outrage.
Seriously, suggesting that it was a ‘fit up from the start’ is almost trooferish in its oversimplification.
Angry mobs aren’t that easy to predict or control.
James, TV journalists do that sort of off topic question all the time – so are you now concocting an addition to the conspiracy, that the journalist was in league with the ALP to set Abbott up … FMD!
Angry mobs aren’t that easy to predict or control.
Certainly are, HD, most managers have trouble controlling happy mobs!
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Just in by email (yer right sreb, we need a bit of light comedy …
Very funny email TB. I might have some of those five points covered already, but I’m not saying which ones.
Seriously, though, the emailer has nailed my problem with (big) government. Why would anyone think these morons in Canberra could spend my hard-earned money more wisely than I could myself? Not to mention paying for huge bureaucracies on the way through.
If I was Abbott, I’d be milking it too.
The question was random and irrelevant. The journo may not have been part of the fit up but I still wouldn’t mind hearing from her. It was as vague as it was irrelevant and I reckon it was fed purely to create a racism row on Aust Day for Abbott.
Angry mobs difficult to control….yep and that’s where it all went wrong. I reckon it was only intended to rouse a few angry comments, then it all went too well, then it all went very badly.
Less government, more freedom.
“Sorry I haven’t learned how to link with the iPhone”
That’s not really what I had in mind when I suggested that we ought to have our own “sorry day” but I guess it’s a start.
BTW does anyone remember when RUOK? Day is?
It seems only natural that it should be followed up with the perhaps slightly more insightful “What the F**K is Wrong with You?” Day.
Nils seems more aggressive than I remember and assume his continual association with the cafe mob has hardened him.
All barackers are pathetic!
It is the randomness of the original question that has me thinking it was a fit up from the outset. You might call it the deliberate creation of confected outrage.
Abbott is the only one in charge of his mouth. He is supposed to be a professional politician and aware that the media will be trying to exploit his every public utterance. He knows how to use the media for his own advantage, but when he puts his foot in it, it is a fit up?
Abbott fuming over Tent Embassy protests
When isn’t he (fuming)? And he’ll be fuming for as long as it takes!
No, nothing opportunistic about any of that
Federal police investigation FFS!
Seems somehow appropriate here
http://thepoliticsproject.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/the-reality-of-the-gillard-haters/
“There is a certain breed of amateur, self-styled ‘political observer’ who think themselves so clever as to be able to detect the truth hidden beneath the supposedly-unending spin of politicians. Such people, time rich and with an unhealthily high regard for their own opinions, often have the nasty habit of confusing their own cynicism for wisdom.”
I think a certain breed of amateur just posted some clickbait here.
Presumably a time rich, self-styled political observer with a high regard for their own opinions.
Anyway.
* don’t take the clickbait
Is he a dentist?
Perhaps I should post more for the Paranoid Schizoids here who think this is just “clickbait”. The article applies to quite a few of the posters on this thread.
“Yesterday’s ‘revelation’ that a staffer in the Prime Minister’s office told a union official about Tony Abbott’s whereabouts on Australia Day (information which was passed on to protesters at the Aboriginal Tent Embassy), is a perfect example. Before the Prime Minister had even completed her press conference, she was being accused of a cover-up. She was scape-goating a junior staffer for an action which must have been ordered by a senior advisor, maybe even by the PM herself.
The people who are accusing Gillard of lying in this instance, are the same right-wingers who are convinced she has lied about everything else. Furthermore, the people who denounce the PM for ‘lying’ about a carbon tax and to Andrew Wilkie about pokies reforms, have never and will never vote for Labor in their lives. These people are so convinced of the irredeemable incompetence and immoral nature of Australia’s first female prime minister that, in their eyes, she will never be able to do anything right, and she will always be seeking to cover up her mistakes.
The reality is that the contrived indignation of these conservatives – the so-called ‘cynicism of government’ in which they take so much pride – is nothing more than a cover for their rank partisanship. Not content (or perhaps not able) to muster rational, evidence-based arguments against the policies of the Gillard Government, they instead expend monumental energy on trashing the characters of those people in it.
Whether or not they are right about Gillard is a secondary issue. That they are so sure of themselves, that they do not question anything put forward by their own side, that they are so utterly convinced that their worldview is the correct and only one, is, I believe, far more reason to be wary of them.”
View from the Tent Embassy: reality v news reports
*clickbait* or not Robert deserves a reply.
Robert, it is clear that Gillard is entirely comfortable with duplicity.
Get over it.
“That they are so sure of themselves, that they do not question anything put forward by their own side, that they are so utterly convinced that their worldview is the correct and only one, is, I believe, far more reason to be wary of them.””
Sounds a lot like the Gillard apologists…
It seems as though Robert would prefer to silence debate. That’s just intellectually lazy.
Julia is duplicitous and Tony is opportunistic, a pox on both their houses.
Remarkable. Robert links to an article written by a 19 year old member of the ALP as an “objective” reference point.
I might see if I can get a quote from Wyatt Roy by way of counter balance….
It’s nice to see the new contributors here, but GT is a testing place.
Are they up to it?
Interesting, I’ve not once accused Gillard of lying. I think you may be the paranoid schizoid, Robert.
I suppose the irony of your condescending comments is lost upon you?
This place is an intellectual rough house and that’s why the tourists don’t last long.
Especially when you make sweeping grandiose statements like this…
“The people who are accusing Gillard of lying in this instance, are the same right-wingers who are convinced she has lied about everything else.”
*Yawn*
Even Michelle Grattan in The Age is suggesting that all is not as Gillard has stated.
Is it usual for the PMs office to liaise with protesters about targeting political opponents and encouraging some rowdy action?
Wilkie looks like he’s seeking revenge … or simply politicising the issue …
… seems to be more mean spirited and precious people in Australia than ever before …
Some very well articulated bullshit there, Robert.
You little bewdy, Wilkie’s the man.
“Furthermore, the people who denounce the PM for ‘lying’ about a carbon tax and to Andrew Wilkie about pokies reforms, have never and will never vote for Labor in their lives.
Pretty much. Gillard is the worst PM ever. Only the true believers are still rusted on to her flaming red arse. Sadly they can’t bring themselves to tell her it is on fire.
I just read Robert’s linked article. The author doesn’t seem very self-aware, but he’s only young, and lacks experience.
“The author doesn’t seem very self-aware, but he’s only young, and lacks experience.”
He’s voted once, and suddenly he’s a fkn expert.
Wyatt Roy makes more sense and his quick quips are legend.
Is it usual for the PMs office to liaise with protesters about targeting political opponents and encouraging some rowdy action?
Why not, you don’t think the carbon tax protesters, the juLIAR and “ditch the witch” brigade appeared in parliament and rallied by accident do you? There was much political organisation by the coalition, including collusion with industry behind the scenes.
Looks like Abbott & the Opposition have milked their eels into the turtle stew, again…
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/australia-day-protest-inquiry-demand/story-e6frea6u-1226256729059
…and AO, you don’t think it would have been contentious if someone in Abbott’s office got those protesters to follow Gillard to a restaurant or function?
ToM you clearly don’t understand that the anti-Carbon Tax protesters are evil nasty viscous violent rednecks. Protesters for lefty causes are mellow charming urbane beautiful people.
…and AO, you don’t think it would have been contentious if someone in Abbott’s office got those protesters to follow Gillard to a restaurant or function?
Actually, i don’t have a problem with pollies being forced to face a public that they are usually so very removed from. They make legislation that affects the lives of real people and they should be accountable and accessible, not sheltered and protected. They manage to meet with lobbyists and high powered wealthy people on a daily basis, but a few plebs who have no power in our corporocracy get the arse from them.
I would not like them to be personally threatened however, and that was not what occurred with the tent embassy, it was a noisy protest and the coppers made more of it based on the potential of a ‘possible’ threat. No big deal and certainly nothing illegal about it as much as the Opposition may want to make political mileage from it.
What about when this happened:
Woman intimidated at carbon rally: govt
…The intimidation of a young woman by a man recognised as a former Liberal Party staffer was an indication of the party’s intolerance, a federal government minister says.
Trade Minister Craig Emerson said the woman – who had attended a carbon tax forum in Frankston, Victoria, at which Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was speaking – was followed by a man who was known to Liberal MP Bruce Billson.
Vicky Kasidis, a member of the Australian Greens, was confronted by the man after she told the Wednesday forum she supported the carbon tax.
“He followed her for about five minutes and she was so frightened, she had to call friends and the police arrived to protect her from a Liberal Party bully,” Dr Emerson told reporters in Sydney on Thursday…
Self-serving hearsay from Gillard’s former squeeze.
“……..I would not like them to be personally threatened however, and that was not what occurred with the tent embassy……….”
Yeah I agree.
Just a harmless tent embassy. What possible physical harm could come of that ?
Next thing you know they’ll be worried about School Book Depositories………..:)
‘School Book Depositories’
A thing of the past….
“Protesters for lefty causes are mellow charming urbane beautiful people. “
Following on from my beautiful conversion of last week to the cause for the Carbon Tax I must agree.
I have found my Road to Damascus to be truly lined with gold following on from a magnificent series of Powerpoint presentations from the most learned tax accountants and lawyers.
I have found the Holy Trinity to in fact be Bob Brown+Carbon Tax+ETS Permits.
I stand by my invoice printer ready to play my as a saviour of the World.
I will collect my fees for the sake of the little children of the future.
God Bless You All
The burning of our flag is a shameful way to honour the men and women who have fought to keep Australia safe. Aboriginals and otherwise Australians have stood and fallen together under this symbol. Why are we constantly reminding ourselves of the conflicted birth of our nation, and choosing to ignor the subsequent history?