We elected them, didn’t we?

2009 July 29
by reb

There’s something fundamentally not right when politicians use their positions of power to inflict their own personal agenda on the rest of Australia when the majority of Australians have an opposing view.

John Howard refused to say “sorry” to the nation’s indigenous population despite an overwhelming populist movement to do so.

Kevin Rudd eventually did apologise, and did the sky fall in?

Ah, no.

Today, Kevin Rudd has declared that he is fundamentally against marriage being made available to same sex couples despite an overwhelming majority of Australians now supporting gay marriage.

 ”We went to the last election being very clear-cut about our position on marriage under the Marriage Act being between a man and a woman,” he said.

Mr Rudd always likes to use ‘the royal we’ to add weight to his position where in fact he should really be saying “I went to the last election with a very clear cut position.”

Neverthless his position is fundamentally and categorically discriminatory.  There is no rational argument to support the idea that marriage should not be an option available to same sex couples.

It is hard to avoid reaching the conclusion that the prime minister’s position on this matter is pure and simply his own personal opinion, and that he is seeking to impose his views on everyone else.

It is simply duplicitous for the prime minister on one hand to talk about equality for all Australians and ending discrimination while simultaneously denying a minority of the population access to a status of recognition that is made available to others.

His position is particularly tenuous and irrational when the majority of Australians hold an opposing view.  We live in a democracy after all, and surely it is the responsibility of our elected representatives to represent and act upon the interests of the electorate.

It’s about time that Mr Rudd put aside his personal beliefs and recognise that gay and lesbian couples are no less worthy than opposite sex couples when it comes to recognition of their relationships.

To maintain his existing position is an affront to the Australian community he supposedly represents and is disingenuous to say the least.

36 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    Reb, he’s too scared of the perceived political fallout to support such a change to dogmatic tradition…& of course his professed allegiance to the Invisible Sky Wizard wouldn’t be helping any.

    He needs to lose the prejudice & grow a pair, but he won’t.

  2. 2009 July 29

    Kevin Rudd believes in everything, and nothing at all. He’s a fiscal conservative, and a Keynsian. He’s a progressive, and a social conservative. He sniffs the political wind and adopts whatever position he believes is the popular one. As an in tellectual, Kevin Rudd is child-like, as demonstrated by his two infamous ‘essays’.

    The Prime minister of Australia is a phony.

  3. 2009 July 29
    Daphon permalink

    I have just sent a mass of emails to various delegates at the coming ALP National Conference and my local federal member after reading Rodney Croome’s latest blog post:

    http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/comments?id=2984_0_1_0_C

    Part of my email said, “I DO NOT like my treatment as a member of a minority to be dictated by parliamentarians’ religious beliefs nor by very noisy religious organisations (what business is it of theirs? Marriage to a same sex partner will not be compulsory nor will religious organisations be forced to marry gay people.)”

  4. 2009 July 29

    Reb, the PM apologised but has the Aboriginal lot improved?

    The PM is an exponent of talk and little action but when there is action it turns to shit!

    I believe the PM is trying to be all things to everyone but pleases none, there is a definite lack of any conviction which is not leadership material.

    FFS, this is the twenty first century and I will not accept the fact that gay couples can not have their relationships recognised, in fact I’m going to write it into the charter of the new political party that I’m organising!

  5. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    “The Prime minister of Australia is a phony.”ToSY

    That makes it 2 in a row now.

  6. 2009 July 29

    Is it a requirement of the job?

  7. 2009 July 29
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    “I’m going to write it into the charter of the new political party that I’m organising!”

    The new leaders of Crapperville – http://img170.imageshack.us/i/51jb4etkrxlkk5.jpg/

  8. 2009 July 29

    What’s goin’ on with the avatars, man? They’re, like, all over the place and it’s really freakin’ me out.

  9. 2009 July 29

    Tom, that photo looks like the PM and the Treasurer in their younger (Heiner) days.

  10. 2009 July 29
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    And just back on topic –

    Australia does not discriminate on the basis of religion, sex, sexual preferences, race…

    Except when it comes to things that the government wants to discriminate about, like how people give effect to their mutually agreed, adult, consensual relationships.

    This is outrageous for the ALP, which ought to have more regard for its history in supporting progressive social issues.

  11. 2009 July 29
    bacchus permalink

    Stop it Tom – that’s the 3rd time this week you’ve made sense :razz:
    Just jokin’, but your comments have been a bit more rational and a little less just sh!tstirring lately – turned over a new leaf?

  12. 2009 July 29
    reb permalink

    “your comments have been a bit more rational..”

    Don’t worry, it won’t last.

  13. 2009 July 29
    Daphon permalink

    These Aussie ads from Equal Love supporting gay marriage are quite good:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/EqualLove09

  14. 2009 July 29
    reb permalink

    Fuck me. This is the sort of bollocks we’re up against:

    http://www.acl.org.au/pdfs/load_pdf_public.pdf?pdf_id=1362&from=NATIONAL

    …and people wonder why I have no time for Christians… :roll:

  15. 2009 July 29
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    I see the media release has a contact mobile number… just in case anyone wishes to make contact…

    Please give Glynis our warm regards.

  16. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    They’re just trying to get into heaven reb, & if baseless judgement about the lifestyles of people they’ll never know on a personal level is how they buy their tickets to reach the Invisible Sky Wizard then so be it; they have bipartisan support to further their archaic bigotry.

  17. 2009 July 29
    reb permalink

    T-Boss, they’re a pack of c****. All of them. Just C****. With a capital “C”.

  18. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    Amen.

  19. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    If they had an email address I’d send ‘em some delightful thinking music for you. :)

  20. 2009 July 29
    reb permalink

    Well Glynis left her mobile phone number. It would be an awful travesty if that ended up on some toilet wall somewhere.

  21. 2009 July 29
    toiletboss permalink

    Hmmmmm.

    I want to post Glynis some snogglies.

  22. 2009 July 29
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    These people are frustrated that they can’t get a root.

  23. 2009 July 30
    reb permalink

    This what Kevin Rudd had to say at the ALP Conference:

    Ours is a message of hope; our opponents a message of fear. And as we all know, fear so often is a more potent emotion than hope.

    Ours has been a mission to build up, rather than to tear down.

    Ours has been a mission to include, rather than to exclude.

    Ours has always been a message of fairness for all, rather than privilege for some.

    “Inclusion” rather than “exclusion?”

    “Fairness for all?

    It just reeks of rank hypocrisy.

  24. 2009 July 30

    Reb, the PM is a phony that would lick the feet of any demographic to remain in power and all others can get stuffed!

    His words are just spin that said often enough is believed…he’s no leader!

  25. 2009 July 30
    reb permalink

    I has written to his Ruddness…

    Dear Prime Minister,

    I must convey my sincere dissapointment in your personal stance that denies equality of marriage to same sex couples.

    Despite an overwhelming majority of Australians, some 60% percent as you will be aware in a recent survey being in favour of allowing same sex couples to have the option to marry, you are imposing your own personal beliefs end effectively perpetuating discrimination against this minority group.

    Actually I’m disgusted. On one hand you vocally declare at the ALP Conference:

    “Ours has been a mission to include, rather than to exclude.”

    and;

    “Ours has always been a message of fairness for all, rather than privilege for some.”

    And yet at the same time you insist that marriage should only be available to two people in a relationship determined by the type of genitals they have.

    Where is the sense of “inclusion” and “fairness for all” in your position against gay marriage?

    There is no rational argument that can be mounted against gay marriage.

    In fact, I challenge you to justify your position, because so far you haven’t. Simply stating “we view marriage as something that is between a man and a woman” is simply insufficient grounds to perpetuate discrimination against others.

    It is only personal prejudice that is on display for all to see, and while you talk about “inclusion” and “fairness” these are hollow and meaningless words while you hold this blatantly hypocritical position.

    Yours Sincerely
    reb

  26. 2009 July 30
    Huh permalink

    Nice letter Reb.

    Think I might even plagiarise it!

  27. 2009 July 30
    Daphon permalink

    Wow, good one, Reb. Hugs to ya mate!

  28. 2009 July 30

    Reb, good luck with the letter but a bit of advice.

    It is best to go through your local member if he/she is Labor as the PM is a stickler for process and Harris deletes anything he sees fit so you will need a lot of luck.

    My favourite tactic that has worked 90% of the time is to CC the Email to the Opposition, the relevant minister and the local member all at once.

    Oh, be a little more diplomatic as the PM is a precious flower who’s ego is easily dented, he needs to march in the next Mardi Gras to toughen up a bit!

  29. 2009 July 30
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    Marriage Act 1961
    5 Interpretation

    marriage means the union of two people to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life (provided that a maximum, and a minimum, of one (1) penis is applicable per marriage).*

    *note – additional clarification provided by Tom

  30. 2009 July 30
    reb permalink

    Good point Tom.

    Maybe the PM should insist that marriage vows be changed to reinforce his position:

    “Does your penis take this vagina…”

  31. 2009 July 30
    Mobius Ecko permalink

    Posted at the old ‘crats:

    McClelland defends new anti-terrorism laws

  32. 2009 July 30
    Tom of Melbourne permalink

    Let’s face it, politicians are inclined to get into the “big swinging d!ck” competition about toughness on “terrorists”. There is little doubt that both parties would believe that there are easy votes in “toughness”.

    There will be a new mantra ‘no one lost an election by pretending to be tough (substitute favourite limitation on civil liberties).

    An endless spiral. Fair point Adrian.

    I can only presume you noted my post earlier today!

  33. 2009 July 30
    toiletboss permalink

    Yeah Adrian, I agree (there you go Tom).

    FWIW, my hackles are up too regarding what the next conservative government might pull; despite Tony’s incredulence.
    Labor should be smacked hard for not shutting down the opportunity that those laws present to either ideology.

    The laws, as you say, once there will NEVER be repealed by either side because they represent to convenient a tool of control for any opportunistic government.

    I’d rather take my chances with the terroristsTM.

  34. 2009 August 1

    About bloody time this was changed, and shame on anyone who thinks we should continue to discriminate against them.

    See you at the rally tomorrow!

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